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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bestone" data-source="post: 3356437" data-attributes="member: 48880">You understand very well, No where under the special attacks section, that has sunder listed, does it state that its a standard action.Your still contradicting yourself by saying text applies for supernatural, but not sunderNo where does it state that that the things listed under the table are, and can only be used as standard actions. It only states when you use them, they count as standard actions, making a melee attack, and using that as a sunder, counts as a standard action, because you are making a melee attack.If something coutns as a standard action, surely you can use it only if you have a standard action available?There you go, contradicting yourself again, you state that, yes supernatural abilities are standard actions, but you go by the text, and if the text says they can be used someway else, then thats what you go by.But the special attack sunder, now your telling me you dont go by the text to see how it can be applied, simply because its listed in a table as a standard action? And i challenge you, pull up a page number and a reference saying you can only apply a special attack, regardless of how it says it can be applied in its text, if you have a standard action free to do it.</blockquote>