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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bestone" data-source="post: 3357429" data-attributes="member: 48880">Ok, but you've yet to find a rule that says says you ignore the text on a special attack unless you have a the action listed in the table to do itSo regardless of whether the table lists it as a standard action or not. When i want to make a sunder, i look under the special attacks section, read the rules for sunder, and apply it how the rules under sunder tell me to apply it.You still have to prove that you dont use the text for the special attack when you want to use it.As far as im concerned, when i want to sunder, be it as a standard action, or on an attack of opportunity, i look in the special attacks section, and read the sunder special attack, and the text contained within. Your saying i dont do this, why? prove it. Find something that tells me i dont use the rules for applying sunder that are written under the header sunder in the special attack section unless i have a standard action.Give me a rule reference or a page # to support your claim and this argument is over.As i've said, you wont find one, cause there isnt one.IF there is one, then you cant use supernatural abilities unless you have a standard action, regardless of thier text. Thats absurd. To use a special attack, supernaturla ability, or other form of attack, even if its listed in a table as something. You read the TEXT of the ability/attack, it tells you how to use it, and how it applies.I've asked you to dispute this many times, obviously you cant. Your whole argument now is based on the fact that "you cant do a special attack listed on the table as a standard action unless you have one", but you have no rules proof that says that?</blockquote>

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