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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bestone" data-source="post: 3358285" data-attributes="member: 48880">And this is where the entire debate comes to a pointYou agree that the text for sunder says what it says, and what it means, with me I dont disagreeHere is where we now disagree, I dont see anywhere in sunder where it says you must use a standard action to sunder. I read that according to the table sundering is a standard action. But it does not say under sunder "as a standard action" nor does the text insinuate such. Where we disagree is you say you must use sunder (the standard action) to sunder. I say when you sunder its a standard action. And personally i think regardless of that, Sunders text is clear how it works, and doesnt disclude it from attacks of opportunity.And i dont agree with you that you must be able to do a standard action for the rules of a special attack listed as one to come into play, vis-a-vie my standpoint on standard actions.A ruling stated anywhere that the rules for each special attack dont come into effect unless you have the action listed in the table to do them would prove your side of things as true.I see no such ruling, so you are making an assumption that the text doesnt apply unless you can make the action (which i personally think is unfounded, expecially when compared with supernatural abilities)And i say that the rules written under the special attack state how you use it, and using it that way may be a special attack, but i dont think it discludes using it on an aoo.</blockquote>

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