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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bestone" data-source="post: 3358427" data-attributes="member: 48880">And like i've posted, how can you support your claim, when using a supernatural ability is a standard action, but under some text of the supernatural abilities it states they work different. Its still listed as a standard action. And it may not note in the supernatural ability that its any other type of action *thus by default it still remains a standard action* yet some supernatural abilities function by adding to melee attacks, like the aforementioned fang golem, who has a special thing that applies to each melee attack it does.Or are you saying now that to use that ability it must take the standard action "supernatural ability" which would then affect its attacks *which it'd get none if its already using its standard actionOr even, by your logicYou must use a standard action to use the special ability - sunderThe special ability sunder lets you Use a melee attack to sunderIt doesnt grant you a melee attack, nor do you get a melee attack by default on a standard actionTherefore when using the standard action sunderYou CAN (can meaning having the option to, but not having too) use a melee attack to sunder, but you dont have a melee attack (standard action) to make, if your using a standard action that gives you the option to use a melee attack to do something (sunder).Which would mean of course, you wont be making any attacks.If it was written " When you sunder you use a melee attack to......"then it would be a little harder to argue my part</blockquote>

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