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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bestone" data-source="post: 3358578" data-attributes="member: 48880">Your argument is based on the assumption that the text for sunder doesnt apply because you need to do a standard action to sunder in the first place, and only if you can use a standard action can you sunder. Even tho normally a melee attack is a standard action, and when listed on tables it is a standard action, text gives it other uses *like the aoo text* Your claming one attack woA melee attack is listed as a standard action, but the text written for aoo's allows it to be used as an aoo.Sunder may be a standard action, but the text written for sunder suggests that it can, infact, be used as a melee attack, which can be used as an aoo.Like i said, your assuming that you cant even read the rules for sunder unless you have a standard action because its listed as such as a table. But your assumption has no proof, i've stated several situations that put a dampen on that argument, and you havent responded to any.As well there has been quotes from articles from wizards themselves, A game designers statement saying you can sunder on an aoo. And several sources that suggest this.You've yet to even show one source that shows your opinion.And i still ask you, how can you tell me the text on a special attack doesnt come into effect, regardless of how, in that text, it tells you you can use the ability, if you dont have the action listed on the table free to do it.You've already said you agree on what the text under sunder means, and if there was no table that you'd agree.Well in that, you agree, because the table doesnt restrict you to only making sunder as a standard action, it simply shows when you sunder its a standard aciton. Unless of course, you want to quote something that proves me wrong here?You wont, and i've already stated why, it would break things like supernatural abilities. Whenever you want to do a special attack, you read the special attack and low and behold, it tells you how to use it.Sunder tells you how to use it, you can use a melee attack to strike a weapon, thats a sunderOf course, making a melee attack is a standard aciton, so in the table its listed as such</blockquote>

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