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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3358666" data-attributes="member: 2011">Yup.And the Attack (Unarmed) entry in that table does not have a footnote that "Armed" Attack (unarmed) do not provoke an AoO.So which takes precedence, the rules text on page 139 (no AoO for Monks), or the table text on page 141 (AoO for Unarmed)?Obviously, we both know the answer. Funny, this was not errataed in the last 7 years either.And, Bull Rush is listed in that table as a Standard Action. However, Bull Rush can be used as part of a Charge action. No footnote on that.The point is, that is a generic table. It does not have all of the rules listed in it, it just has general rules listed in it. Those rules do not take precedence over the written rules.The rules text on criticals for weapons on page 114 is in a section that refers to the weapons table 7-5.The Sunder text does not refer to Table 8-2. The Special Attacks text does not refer to Table 8-2. The Attack of Opportunity section does not refer to Table 8-2 for which actions can be done with AoOs (it does for which actions provoke).None of these rules refer to that table for that. The only thing that refers to that table is the Combat Actions section of the rules.And, the Sunder rules do not state that Sunder is an action. It states that it is a melee attack (and hence can be done in place of a melee attack).For example, one could Charge and Sunder. Full Round Action. Use the melee attack action within Charge to Sunder a Weapon.No rules in the Special Attacks section disallow this.I agree with you 100% that Sunder is listed in the table as a Standard Action. That is what Sunder typically is. Just like Bull Rush is typically a Standard action and listed as such in that table.I disagree with you 100% that Sunder is a Standard action all of the time because the actual rules text on it does not state that, and of course, WotC in at least 6 places also indicates that it can be done on AoOs.Sunder is a Melee Attack. That table does not override that specific rule.That table is for the typical case (exceptions can occur with Sunder, Bull Rush, and Unarmed Attacks as I have illustrated).</blockquote>

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