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<blockquote data-quote="bestone" data-source="post: 3358684" data-attributes="member: 48880"><p>Thanks for the backup karinsdad, i felt very alone on this for a while</p><p></p><p>Hyp, you've agreed on the wording of sunder</p><p>And you've said that it would work on an aoo if there was no table</p><p></p><p>You can use a melee attack to sunder</p><p></p><p>Aoo gives you a melee attack</p><p></p><p>Since you can use a melee attack to sunder</p><p></p><p>You can use that melee attack to sunder. (pretty simple and clear i think)</p><p></p><p>Again, as stated, you agreed with this, but disagree because of the tabel</p><p></p><p>I still, and have several times, ask you, Where this becomes invalid?</p><p></p><p>The rule as stated under sunder still states what it does, correct?</p><p></p><p>But your argument is it only does what it does, if you have a standard action to activate sunder</p><p></p><p>And i still say... where is your proof on this? where is proof that any rule listed in the phb only comes into effect in way x. There isnt, and you cant tell me that. The rule for sunder is under sunder, and is still valid, and still applies. Even if it is a standard action to sunder normally, The text of sunder still validates another way you can use it, on an attack of opportunity. The text states that, and you agree'd that the text stated that, but you say the text doesnt apply when there is a table, and that even tho the text states it works that way it now doesnt because of the table, yet there is no descrepancy.</p><p></p><p>As i've said, When you want to use sunder, you read the entry for sunder, it tells you how you use it *and you've agreed on how it works*. You have not once proven that you in any way get to ignore that text.</p><p></p><p>There is no rule that says to be able to use the written rules for a particular rule, you must have an action free to use that rule. And since it doesnt say that anywhere you CAN NOT validate your claim that you must have an action for that text to come into play. And since you have no way of negating the text that states something you've agreed with, you have no argument.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bestone, post: 3358684, member: 48880"] Thanks for the backup karinsdad, i felt very alone on this for a while Hyp, you've agreed on the wording of sunder And you've said that it would work on an aoo if there was no table You can use a melee attack to sunder Aoo gives you a melee attack Since you can use a melee attack to sunder You can use that melee attack to sunder. (pretty simple and clear i think) Again, as stated, you agreed with this, but disagree because of the tabel I still, and have several times, ask you, Where this becomes invalid? The rule as stated under sunder still states what it does, correct? But your argument is it only does what it does, if you have a standard action to activate sunder And i still say... where is your proof on this? where is proof that any rule listed in the phb only comes into effect in way x. There isnt, and you cant tell me that. The rule for sunder is under sunder, and is still valid, and still applies. Even if it is a standard action to sunder normally, The text of sunder still validates another way you can use it, on an attack of opportunity. The text states that, and you agree'd that the text stated that, but you say the text doesnt apply when there is a table, and that even tho the text states it works that way it now doesnt because of the table, yet there is no descrepancy. As i've said, When you want to use sunder, you read the entry for sunder, it tells you how you use it *and you've agreed on how it works*. You have not once proven that you in any way get to ignore that text. There is no rule that says to be able to use the written rules for a particular rule, you must have an action free to use that rule. And since it doesnt say that anywhere you CAN NOT validate your claim that you must have an action for that text to come into play. And since you have no way of negating the text that states something you've agreed with, you have no argument. [/QUOTE]
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