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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bestone" data-source="post: 3358722" data-attributes="member: 48880">Hyp is still wrong in his argument, he proves it bya) agreeing that you can use it my way if there was no table, this succeeds that the text says that you can use it for an aoo.b) Even quoting the action types, He picked out the section " Action types tell you how long an action takes" It says nothing about anything else, only that the only relevance the action type has, is it tells you how long they takec) Being unable to come up with proof for his argument, He can not prove anywhere that you ignore the text *which he agrees with* for any reason. see my previous post for more information on suchRegardless of how long an action takes, you still read under the action for how to apply it, and what it doesHe agree's with how the text says you can apply sunderHe disagree's because the table makes it a standard actionHe is unable to prove the relevance, he is making an unfounded assumption that you have to use a sunder action for the text to apply, but can not show anywhere where it states you must have an action listed in the table free for the rule to apply.Because it doesntThe text proves our claim *as he's agreed*, but no rule proves his, only assumptionsI've challenged him several times, and each time he ignores it, to show me where it states the rules for actions only apply under whatever circumstanceThe only proof he's quoted is proof for my claim, he's quoted that the type of action only tells you how long it takes to perform it, not how you do it, or what happens.If the type of action only states the time required to do the action, how can you claim it dictates when you can do the action? or how the action works?Thats it, it doesnt state and you must have that action free to do the specified attack, nor anything along those lines. The action still functions as it is written, and being a standard action only tells you how long it takes to perform. It also doesnt state that you disregard the text of an action if you dont have the time to do it, it only says it tells you how long it takes to perform. The text of the action tells you what it does.So a sunder may take a standard actions length in time to performSo does a melee attack, which can be used on a sunderThey take the same time, the text says you can use one as anotherAction types DONT say you require that action to be able to use the rules froma special attack.</blockquote>

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