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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus2" data-source="post: 3360394" data-attributes="member: 11586">Yes, I agree with you here.  It should work that way IMHO.  I would still play it that way (call it a house rule if you will).  It's just that, for me, the RAW (from just the PHB) doesn't point me to that conclussion unless I exclude the Table.When you want to Sunder, you can use a melee attack with...All this tells us is they type of attack we can use.  It is a melee attack.  It isn't a ranged attack.  It isn't a melee touch attack.We still do not know what type of ACTION it is, however.  To assume that we can perform Sunder with ANY melee attack we have available, is just that, an assumption.The text does not say the Action Type.The table does say the Action Type.  It is a Standard Action.Once again, my little chart:Special Attack: SunderAttack Type: a melee attackAction Type: SunderUsing the text and the table satisifies all of these.  Ignorning the table, does not.  We are left with:Action Type: ???and left to assume...Let me pose this question... Forget about Sunder for a moment.  Let's look a Disarm.  Let's also IGNORE the Table.  Forget the Table is even there.  There is no Table...Using just the text of Disarm, prove to me 2 things:1) Tell me what Action Type Disarm is (if any)2) Quote me anywhere (in the PHB) that states you can attempt to Disarm anytime you are eligible for a melee attack.  If you can't find a quote (something along the lines of "This attack substitute for a melee attack" or "You can use this anytime you make a melee attack")  If you can not find such a quote, are you not making a wide assumption here?</blockquote>

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