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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bestone" data-source="post: 3360539" data-attributes="member: 48880">I have a question from you hype, i've asked it a few times, but i really want an awnser. As to me the awnser to this question makes or breaks your argumentYou have stated (and i can quote if you like) that unless you take the standard aciton sunder, the text doesnt apply.I ask you, where is there a rule written, anywhere that states that unless you have the action type listed in the table free to perform the aciton, that you can not use it in any other way, even if the text of that action would suggest, or state that it can in fact be used in a way that wouldnt be, in itself, a standard action.Your using an assumption that you have to be able to perform the standard action sunder for its rule to apply. Im saying you have no rules basis to make this assumption, if the rule for a special attack states it can be used a certain time. Then regardless of whether that special attack counts as a standard action or not, you can use that rule how its stated in its text.PLEASE! show me a rule of proof?Alll you have provided is a rule stating that the type of action only determines how long it takes to perform.Back up your statementEdit, again, my question Where does it state anywhere, that you can ignore the text of a standard action, even if that text would give you anoter means to use it, even if that means wasnt considered a standard action.</blockquote>