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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bestone" data-source="post: 3360808" data-attributes="member: 48880">Thats the claim i want him to proveWhere in the rule books, does it state, that unless you are taking a standard action to use sunder, the text stated under the special attack is irrelevant. This would mean that, even if sunder gave you an option to use it as something other than a standard action, unless you are using it as a standard action, that text is irrelevant.I want him to prove this claimHe has agree'd that without the table, he'd agree with my pov on sunderI say that You never ignore the text of the special attack, because it tells you how you can use that attack.He states you cant use that text in a certain circumstance, i want him to quote a rule on this (and as you can see, if he manages to do this, it would destroy my position, would it not)</blockquote>