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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Legildur" data-source="post: 3361597" data-attributes="member: 1258">LOL! That's real concrete evidence there!I mean 'pretty sure'???? What about a quote from the PHB! At least Hyp, who obviously is incapable of correctly refencing the core rules as some would claim, thumbs his way through one when he answers a question.I believe that this issue was first raised on page 1 of this thread...... and it's now, well, many pages past that before you finally acknowledge it??  Might have saved a few posts for all of us in there.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Well, by his logic, they are.  The rules are written. He postulated a couple of possibilites in how to interpret the rule and by referencing the rules, and applying sound logic, he discounted all but one position - his conclusion. It's a pretty standard and straightforward piece of analysis - based on the Rules as Written.This sort of thing happens all the time in legislation. I used to see it regularly in a previous job. The designers (govt) have an idea, the write instructions for the lawyers, the lawyers draft legislation which is passed by parliament etc, the govt then writes guidelines about what it means and how it is meant to work, operational instructions are written for the person at the coalface.  Then what happens is that someone takes the govt to court to challenge a decision based on the legislation.  You might find that the judge will disagree with the govt's view because the legislation doesn't say what the govt thought it did (law is wonderful like that) and it doesn't matter what the govt thought, because only the legislation matters. Now, if WotC want Sunder to have Footnote 7, then they can damn well follow their own rules and issue Errata! But vague interpretations in flawed documents and 'pretty sure' statements aren't errata. In summary, the effect may differ from the intent.</blockquote>

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