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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus2" data-source="post: 3362051" data-attributes="member: 11586">And you are also not making assumptions on your end?  I know you are in a heated debate with Hyper, but if you could take the time to look at other people's responses (namely mine <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />) it would be much appreciated.  Since you seem to like to challenge people with finding rules quotes, please allow me to do the same.  I would be very interested in what you find.  This is actually a repost of what I posted earlier, since everyone seemed to skip my question.I am very interested in bestone's and KD's response to this in particular...Let me pose this question... Forget about Sunder for a moment. Let's look a Disarm. Let's also IGNORE the Table. Forget the Table is even there. There is no Table...Using just the text of Disarm, prove to me 2 things:1) Tell me what Action Type Disarm is (if any)2) Quote me anywhere (in the PHB) that states you can attempt to Disarm anytime you are eligible for a melee attack. If you can't find a quote (something along the lines of "This attack substitute for a melee attack" or "You can use this anytime you make a melee attack") If you can not find such a quote, are you not making a wide assumption here?</blockquote>