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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bestone" data-source="post: 3363066" data-attributes="member: 48880">I recall him stating he agrees that without the table blah blahAnd him adding his own words.But he never actually said what those words, without adding words too them, meanYes, and this is how all other sources cited say it was meant to be written, and how it works.This is adding words that arent there. But i like your line of argument.If you actually look under the text list of standard actions, sunder isnt on there. The text as written would give it other uses - but lets not elaborate on this as this argument is already going on and i dont want to make a long specification.imho- Melee attack is a standard action (or full round action). You use your standard action to make a melee attack. The special attack rule for sunder (the text) lets you use that melee attack. And fundamentally i dont find them really that different, either you hit the person, or you hit thier weapon.This is what i think is going onYour making a melee attack, but instead of a pc your hitting an object. But if that object is on a pc's person, it provokes an aoo.</blockquote>