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<blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus2" data-source="post: 3363364" data-attributes="member: 11586"><p>My point is, you can't... An AoO is a single melee attack. A Grapple is a melee <strong>touch</strong> attack, which is not what you get from an AoO. A Trip is an <strong>unarmed</strong> melee <strong>touch</strong> attack, also not what you get from an AoO. Are you suggesting that you can replace a melee attack with a melee touch attack, or an unarmed melee touch attack? Is there a rule you can quote, or are you just making this up on how you WANT it to work? (note: there very well may be a rule that states anytime you can take a melee attack, you can substitute a melee touch attack for it, I don't know, but you seem to know where it is, so please show me)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right. as a melee attack. Not as a melee TOUCH attack or as an UNARMED melee TOUCH attack.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So where does the text for disarm tell you you can take it when it is not your turn? When does it state that you can take it ANYTIME you are eligible for a melee attack? It tells you HOW to do it (as a melee attack), but not WHEN. Unless you ASSUME you can do it ANYTIME you are eligible for a melee attack. So again, is there a rule you can quote as to WHEN you can perform the Disarm melee attack, or are you simply ASSUMING it is anytime you are eligible for a melee attack?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think it tells us HOW the attack is performed, as a melee attack (rather than as a melee touch attack, unarmed melee touch attack, or a ranged attack). I do NOT think it tells us WHEN we can perform it. That is what Action Types are for.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RigaMortus2, post: 3363364, member: 11586"] My point is, you can't... An AoO is a single melee attack. A Grapple is a melee [b]touch[/b] attack, which is not what you get from an AoO. A Trip is an [b]unarmed[/b] melee [b]touch[/b] attack, also not what you get from an AoO. Are you suggesting that you can replace a melee attack with a melee touch attack, or an unarmed melee touch attack? Is there a rule you can quote, or are you just making this up on how you WANT it to work? (note: there very well may be a rule that states anytime you can take a melee attack, you can substitute a melee touch attack for it, I don't know, but you seem to know where it is, so please show me) Right. as a melee attack. Not as a melee TOUCH attack or as an UNARMED melee TOUCH attack. So where does the text for disarm tell you you can take it when it is not your turn? When does it state that you can take it ANYTIME you are eligible for a melee attack? It tells you HOW to do it (as a melee attack), but not WHEN. Unless you ASSUME you can do it ANYTIME you are eligible for a melee attack. So again, is there a rule you can quote as to WHEN you can perform the Disarm melee attack, or are you simply ASSUMING it is anytime you are eligible for a melee attack? I think it tells us HOW the attack is performed, as a melee attack (rather than as a melee touch attack, unarmed melee touch attack, or a ranged attack). I do NOT think it tells us WHEN we can perform it. That is what Action Types are for. [/QUOTE]
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