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Unhappy Pally - Righteous Rage + Vicious Weapon
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<blockquote data-quote="SamusekTDS" data-source="post: 4768780" data-attributes="member: 9631"><p>Ok, so I have an unhappy player pissed off with the 4th ed paladin... he's up to 4th level now as a dragonborn serving pelor STR 19, WIS 14, CHA 14.</p><p></p><p>Since we were obviously new to 4th when he made the PC, he now believes the class to be fundamentally broken for those stats (power selection etc) and doesn't like Pelor's radiance (as its WIS based), and wants me to now allow him to use the FR god Tempus feat Righteous Rage (encounter, auto crit on hit) with the power combo of having a vicious waraxe (extra d12 on crit). </p><p></p><p>I drew the line here.</p><p></p><p>He says he is so unhappy with me disallowing this he either wants me to allow this, to scrap the PC and make a whole new character in a new class, or quit the campaign. </p><p></p><p>My reasons against it:</p><p>- I'm playing only with Core, not FR, so I want him to stay as Pelor and not switch to Tempus</p><p>- If I "houseruled" it as a Pelor power I still find it unbalanced compared to most feats/powers</p><p>- I have to make so many allowances and "retro-fits" for him to do this it seems slightly unfair to other players</p><p></p><p>In his defense:</p><p>- He hasn't seemed to be terribly combat effective at times (misses alot, does not do heavy damage overall), and he sees the rogues (we have 2) always flanking and doing crazy damage, and the warlock hits more often since he's against reflex not AC. </p><p>- He got a magic holy symbol at one point, but all the powers it is used with are wis/cha based and he takes mostly str based powers since he feels he would miss all the time with them</p><p></p><p>Are we exposing real flaws about the paladin? Am I beiong unreasonable? Is there a better way to handle/houserule this? How powerful a fighter should a Paladin be allowed to get? Is he fundamentally unbalanced (I mean as a class, not the player himself, LOL)?</p><p>---</p><p>Sam.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SamusekTDS, post: 4768780, member: 9631"] Ok, so I have an unhappy player pissed off with the 4th ed paladin... he's up to 4th level now as a dragonborn serving pelor STR 19, WIS 14, CHA 14. Since we were obviously new to 4th when he made the PC, he now believes the class to be fundamentally broken for those stats (power selection etc) and doesn't like Pelor's radiance (as its WIS based), and wants me to now allow him to use the FR god Tempus feat Righteous Rage (encounter, auto crit on hit) with the power combo of having a vicious waraxe (extra d12 on crit). I drew the line here. He says he is so unhappy with me disallowing this he either wants me to allow this, to scrap the PC and make a whole new character in a new class, or quit the campaign. My reasons against it: - I'm playing only with Core, not FR, so I want him to stay as Pelor and not switch to Tempus - If I "houseruled" it as a Pelor power I still find it unbalanced compared to most feats/powers - I have to make so many allowances and "retro-fits" for him to do this it seems slightly unfair to other players In his defense: - He hasn't seemed to be terribly combat effective at times (misses alot, does not do heavy damage overall), and he sees the rogues (we have 2) always flanking and doing crazy damage, and the warlock hits more often since he's against reflex not AC. - He got a magic holy symbol at one point, but all the powers it is used with are wis/cha based and he takes mostly str based powers since he feels he would miss all the time with them Are we exposing real flaws about the paladin? Am I beiong unreasonable? Is there a better way to handle/houserule this? How powerful a fighter should a Paladin be allowed to get? Is he fundamentally unbalanced (I mean as a class, not the player himself, LOL)? --- Sam. [/QUOTE]
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