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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 4769883" data-attributes="member: 9789">I will also chime in and say our group has a poor paladin player who has had to come to terms with a badly designed class over several levels as well.&quot;Not being a striker&quot; is not a problem; the class is a defender with leader tendencies, and our player does that well.&nbsp; The issue is that unlike what is directly implied in the PHB:&nbsp; Str is pretty much a trap for paladins, and dragonborn paladins are not very optimized (since their breath weapon is honestly quite awful, especially thanks to Expertise feats).&nbsp; Add to that a double-feat tax for Expertise and keeping up with two weapons, and at the end of the day you're left with a pretty poor class design that thankfully hasn't been repeated since.I like Plane Sailing's idea above, except I would make Cha primary and ignore Str completely.&nbsp; Palys already have all the defensive proficiencies they need; they can try to boost Con a bit if they want the extra +1 AC but otherwise starting with an 8 in Str is the best way to start a paladin.&nbsp; Ignore the bad advice in the PHB - it will only lead you astray.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 4769883, member: 9789"] I will also chime in and say our group has a poor paladin player who has had to come to terms with a badly designed class over several levels as well. "Not being a striker" is not a problem; the class is a defender with leader tendencies, and our player does that well. The issue is that unlike what is directly implied in the PHB: Str is pretty much a trap for paladins, and dragonborn paladins are not very optimized (since their breath weapon is honestly quite awful, especially thanks to Expertise feats). Add to that a double-feat tax for Expertise and keeping up with two weapons, and at the end of the day you're left with a pretty poor class design that thankfully hasn't been repeated since. I like Plane Sailing's idea above, except I would make Cha primary and ignore Str completely. Palys already have all the defensive proficiencies they need; they can try to boost Con a bit if they want the extra +1 AC but otherwise starting with an 8 in Str is the best way to start a paladin. Ignore the bad advice in the PHB - it will only lead you astray. [/QUOTE]

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