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<blockquote data-quote="Reynard" data-source="post: 3917148" data-attributes="member: 467">I hadn't really thought of it in relation to +X items versus magic items that do cool stuff.&nbsp; I guess cutting out the +X's should be easy, or at least straight forward.&nbsp; You'd just have to figure out what the typical character of X level was supposed to have Attack, Saves, AC, etc... wise and subtract that from &quot;level appropriate&quot; CR'ed enemies -- which actually would probably help if you were looking for a more &quot;low fantasy&quot; feel.&nbsp; After all, the baddies don't need the bigger numbers or the scarier powers if the PCs' numbers are lower by 5 or 10 or whatever it works out to be.Also, &quot;low fantasy&quot; might not be exactly the term I should be using, but I am not sure what the term should be.&nbsp; Grounded?&nbsp; Grittier?&nbsp; Less flash and wow and gravity-defying displays of prowess.&nbsp; Saving creatures with scary powers -- stone gazes and death touches and immutnity to crits and DR and all that -- rarer and more impressive.&nbsp; like that.Of course, to do so, the PCs can't necessarily have acces to that kind of ability, at least easily, anyway.&nbsp; It would be preferable, then, to reduce the flash and power of spell casters, rather than amping up the flash and power of non-casters to meet them.Needs more thought.&nbsp; Thanks for everyone's input so far, though.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reynard, post: 3917148, member: 467"] I hadn't really thought of it in relation to +X items versus magic items that do cool stuff. I guess cutting out the +X's should be easy, or at least straight forward. You'd just have to figure out what the typical character of X level was supposed to have Attack, Saves, AC, etc... wise and subtract that from "level appropriate" CR'ed enemies -- which actually would probably help if you were looking for a more "low fantasy" feel. After all, the baddies don't need the bigger numbers or the scarier powers if the PCs' numbers are lower by 5 or 10 or whatever it works out to be. Also, "low fantasy" might not be exactly the term I should be using, but I am not sure what the term should be. Grounded? Grittier? Less flash and wow and gravity-defying displays of prowess. Saving creatures with scary powers -- stone gazes and death touches and immutnity to crits and DR and all that -- rarer and more impressive. like that. Of course, to do so, the PCs can't necessarily have acces to that kind of ability, at least easily, anyway. It would be preferable, then, to reduce the flash and power of spell casters, rather than amping up the flash and power of non-casters to meet them. Needs more thought. Thanks for everyone's input so far, though. [/QUOTE]

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