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Unintended(?) Consequence of No More X-Mas Tree?
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<blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 3918158" data-attributes="member: 51325"><p>The thing about FR was that it broke a LOT of the 2E rules anyway. As weird as it sounds, the Dwarven Wizard thing was easy enough to rationalize given that this was a setting that had a Saurial paladins as the ICONIC paladin. Another good example would be a gnomish druid in the Cleric canticle saga.</p><p></p><p>There were a lot of "that's not permitted by the rules" exceptions in the Realms so the loosening of that straighjacket in 3E was welcomed. </p><p></p><p>As for Druids, its somewhat weird in that, even though the 1st novels (moonshaes trilogy) had a VERY strong druid influence, afterward, druids weren't anywhere close to being an essential part of the Realms. </p><p></p><p>Seriously, you could replace all druids with nature clerics and only the Moonshaes would be affected.</p><p></p><p>Now, the big one though in 4E is the nerfing of magic. The Realms is a setting where top-dog has ALWAYS been the wizard. All the movers and shakers are of the magic using classes and all the mysteries of the Realms involve figuring out/dealing with ancient magics.</p><p></p><p>WOTC's nerfing of magic is fundamentally, the BIGGEST change to the Realms EVER. Not the addition/subtraction of classes, not the loosening of race-class combinations as none of the previous changes affected the basic underlying structure of the Realms.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AllisterH, post: 3918158, member: 51325"] The thing about FR was that it broke a LOT of the 2E rules anyway. As weird as it sounds, the Dwarven Wizard thing was easy enough to rationalize given that this was a setting that had a Saurial paladins as the ICONIC paladin. Another good example would be a gnomish druid in the Cleric canticle saga. There were a lot of "that's not permitted by the rules" exceptions in the Realms so the loosening of that straighjacket in 3E was welcomed. As for Druids, its somewhat weird in that, even though the 1st novels (moonshaes trilogy) had a VERY strong druid influence, afterward, druids weren't anywhere close to being an essential part of the Realms. Seriously, you could replace all druids with nature clerics and only the Moonshaes would be affected. Now, the big one though in 4E is the nerfing of magic. The Realms is a setting where top-dog has ALWAYS been the wizard. All the movers and shakers are of the magic using classes and all the mysteries of the Realms involve figuring out/dealing with ancient magics. WOTC's nerfing of magic is fundamentally, the BIGGEST change to the Realms EVER. Not the addition/subtraction of classes, not the loosening of race-class combinations as none of the previous changes affected the basic underlying structure of the Realms. [/QUOTE]
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