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<blockquote data-quote="Njall" data-source="post: 3922136" data-attributes="member: 54719">I tried a game without spellcasting classes in the party at all, and no &quot;magic mart&quot;.I'd say that it's exactly how your house rules would play if nobody chose to play a spellcaster in the party. Sure, but it's a huge part. A DM can generally make anything happen, so you can say that your game worked because your DM decided to make it work. But that doesn't mean that the ruleset worked, just that the DM decided that it had to.There's a huge difference.Well...assuming that the wizard wins his initiative roll, he may well take out a lot of goblins, as long as they're all in the same zone. They could be scattered, or the bulk of the group may be in melee.Now, either the goblins could charge and attacked first ( and this means most of them already attacked in the 1st round ) or the rogues couldn't unleash a full attack, since they'd have to to move to attack in melee. Same goes for the fighter, anyway I assumed he killed 8 goblins on his own, due to great cleave.Again, it was meaningful ( or just risky ), but it could potentially kill at least one party member, and it awarded 0 xp.(Just to clarify, sure, you *could* award some xp, and in this context, you probably should. However, I'd argue that this is more a low level campaign played with high level characters than a mid-to high level characters )</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Njall, post: 3922136, member: 54719"] I tried a game without spellcasting classes in the party at all, and no "magic mart". I'd say that it's exactly how your house rules would play if nobody chose to play a spellcaster in the party. Sure, but it's a huge part. A DM can generally make anything happen, so you can say that your game worked because your DM decided to make it work. But that doesn't mean that the ruleset worked, just that the DM decided that it had to. There's a huge difference. Well...assuming that the wizard wins his initiative roll, he may well take out a lot of goblins, as long as they're all in the same zone. They could be scattered, or the bulk of the group may be in melee. Now, either the goblins could charge and attacked first ( and this means most of them already attacked in the 1st round ) or the rogues couldn't unleash a full attack, since they'd have to to move to attack in melee. Same goes for the fighter, anyway I assumed he killed 8 goblins on his own, due to great cleave. Again, it was meaningful ( or just risky ), but it could potentially kill at least one party member, and it awarded 0 xp. (Just to clarify, sure, you *could* award some xp, and in this context, you probably should. However, I'd argue that this is more a low level campaign played with high level characters than a mid-to high level characters ) [/QUOTE]

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