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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Sessadore" data-source="post: 3924256" data-attributes="member: 57255">If one thinks about a few of those examples, you can reason your way through them.  For example, in the LotR battle you mention, you should remember that the Troll is more akin to a D&D ogre than a D&D troll (I don't recall Tolkien ever saying his trolls regenerated, they were just big and strong).  Four of the Fellowship were competent fighter-types, and the hobbits, while they didn't contribute much, were able to take down a few orcs (which, I might add, seem more similar to D&D goblins than D&D orcs, making it a much easier fight).  Gandalf.. well, Gandalf was probably powerful enough he could have marched through Moria solo and slaughtered everything he encountered, but he hid most of his power almost all the time, so he doesn't really count.  Recall that he defeated the Balrog by himself, when he told everyone else to run because it would have killed them easily.Perseus beheaded Medusa in her sleep, then put on the hat of invisibility and winged boots and flew away from Medusa's two sisters - there was no way he could stand up to them in a fight, in other words.  I don't know much about Sigfried (ie how good of a warrior he was), but if he wasn't a very good warrior and managed to defeat Fafner with the help of a magic sword, it probably wasn't just a +1 sword; probably more like a +5 keen sword (something that would give a novice warrior a chance to defeat a tough veteran).  If Sigfried wasn't a novice compared to Fafner, I fail to see how a magic sword really enters the equation.  In real-world legends, magic is often a table-turner, so it makes sense that it would be mechanically significant.  I will concede that 3.x doesn't work for modeling your other examples (the ones that don't involve magic items).  That is where 3e falls apart in this regard.  There's not much you can do with 3.x to make it possible for, say, a fighter of any level, without magic items, to be able to go toe-to-toe with something like an Ancient dragon.  St. George, however, could possibly be said to have divine protection/aid, making him harder to hurt and deal more damage than the average person of his skill (similar idea to a paladin, but actually putting him above his level, ie not balanced with other classes).  Just my observations and opinions.  Of course, others may have differing opinions of how those could be modeled in D&D, and I'm no more qualified than anyone else to make such judgments.  Sorry for the wordiness of that there... I get carried away sometimes.  Kudos to you if you suffered through the whole thing, haha.  LS</blockquote>

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