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Message: <blockquote data-quote="nothing to see here" data-source="post: 4281226" data-attributes="member: 16432">Considering how 4e combat is, in key ways, more abstract, I would avoid opening a whole new can of worms about handling drops.  Playability has to be key here.  I would make some abstractions about what being disarmed or sundered means.Disarmed:  -2 to attacks and damage until weapon is reclaimedSundered: -1 AC for the remainder of encounter (multiple sunders stack)For Disarmed, I would make the penalty -5 against REF only against enemies whose dexcriptive text contians a held weapon, if you succeed the enemy is considered to have dropped his weapon and suffers a -2 penalty to attacks and damage until they burn a move action to retrieve their weapon.  If one of your allies burns a move action first, to retrieve the weapon, then they retrieve the weapon and the loss lasts for the encounter.For Sunder, I would make the penalty -5 aganst FOR.  Success does STR damage and lowers the opponents AC by 1.Failure in either case should carry a penalty: such as your opponent gainst combat advantage against you until the end of your next turn.</blockquote>