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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 907521" data-attributes="member: 5890">I didn't say that I'd be annoyed at having to solve the puzzle - I'd merely be annoyed that the GM was stopping me from avoiding it by mere fiat.ie - if the complex that the puzzle was in was structurally unsound, then like as not it would prevent me from using most of the suggestions I gave. That's fine. If the group then went on to some other creative solution (while still not solving the puzzle), then that's great. As a DM, it will surprise me (and to me being surprised during a game I'm running or playing = enjoyment).However, if it's patently obvious that the GM is just saying &quot;no, that won't work&quot; to every solution EXCEPT solving the puzzle, as opposed to having well-thought out counters that our characters will recognise, that will just annoy me.Also bear in mind that even if you don't adjust XP for defeating the trap in an unexpected way, there IS a bonus in solving the riddle - the encounter is defeated without expending resources.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 907521, member: 5890"] I didn't say that I'd be annoyed at having to solve the puzzle - I'd merely be annoyed that the GM was stopping me from avoiding it by mere fiat. ie - if the complex that the puzzle was in was structurally unsound, then like as not it would prevent me from using most of the suggestions I gave. That's fine. If the group then went on to some other creative solution (while still not solving the puzzle), then that's great. As a DM, it will surprise me (and to me being surprised during a game I'm running or playing = enjoyment). However, if it's patently obvious that the GM is just saying "no, that won't work" to every solution EXCEPT solving the puzzle, as opposed to having well-thought out counters that our characters will recognise, that will just annoy me. Also bear in mind that even if you don't adjust XP for defeating the trap in an unexpected way, there IS a bonus in solving the riddle - the encounter is defeated without expending resources. [/QUOTE]

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