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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7584266" data-attributes="member: 6919838">i will second this... strongly.Example - I have a cliff. that cliff is an obstacle (they need to beat it or avoid it) not just an impediment (no-fail climb at slow pace). because of WHY (loose rocks but fairly solid, irregular handholds and footholds, some vines some strong some not.) i assign it Dc 15 climb needed. So, when Mr Strong guy describes climbing it by grunting his way up the more silid holds and ledges&nbsp; i i let that bet athletics check with strength. maybe i make it CON if its really really long climb. he will likely be avoiding the vines for the most part due to his being a heavy sucker.But when MR Halfling nimble guy says they want to use the vines, swing back and forth avoiding the most lightweight but since they are small and light... that is acrobatics - likely dex.They key is, to me, to not link a TASK to a skill but let the skill choice flow from the HOW and the WHY. Those two folks are going about beating that wall in two very different ways each using a different aspect of the scene to their benefit. Both are &quot;climbing the wall&quot; but that should not mean &quot;climbing&quot; is under strength or athletics necessarily.l</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7584266, member: 6919838"] i will second this... strongly. Example - I have a cliff. that cliff is an obstacle (they need to beat it or avoid it) not just an impediment (no-fail climb at slow pace). because of WHY (loose rocks but fairly solid, irregular handholds and footholds, some vines some strong some not.) i assign it Dc 15 climb needed. So, when Mr Strong guy describes climbing it by grunting his way up the more silid holds and ledges i i let that bet athletics check with strength. maybe i make it CON if its really really long climb. he will likely be avoiding the vines for the most part due to his being a heavy sucker. But when MR Halfling nimble guy says they want to use the vines, swing back and forth avoiding the most lightweight but since they are small and light... that is acrobatics - likely dex. They key is, to me, to not link a TASK to a skill but let the skill choice flow from the HOW and the WHY. Those two folks are going about beating that wall in two very different ways each using a different aspect of the scene to their benefit. Both are "climbing the wall" but that should not mean "climbing" is under strength or athletics necessarily. l [/QUOTE]

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