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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 3807040" data-attributes="member: 710">Why is die rolling useless? Don't you roll attack rolls anymore either, since everybody has a Base Attack Bonus?Dice Rolling can be useless - in any situation in which there is no penalty for failure, it's mostly meaningless. That's probably why the D&D 4 skill system focuses on encounter relevant skills (an encounter isn't always a combat), because that's the point where there is something at stake. (And it's why there are Take 10 and Take 20 rules in 3rd Edition).Skill Challenges can still be very important if there is some context to them that makes them meaningful. Climbing or Jumping as part of overland travel isn't especially important (except for a few hilarous scenes <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ), but during combat, it can mean a big difference. And even in 3rd edition, everybody can swim or climb. But the difference between the trained and untrained climber means that at some point, either the trained character feels he has have wasted half of his ranks in the skill, or the untrained one is simply left out and can not overcome the hazard. In 3rd Edition, Hide and Move Silently are rare skills among the classes. A Rogue might sometimes try to scout the area, but it's extremely dangerous to go around alone - despite him having maxed his skill. It would feel a lot better if the Fighters and Clerics in the party good keep close nearby, and not make any attempt at stealth useless.</blockquote>

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