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<blockquote data-quote="Merlin the Tuna" data-source="post: 3807884" data-attributes="member: 55638"><p>What you have constructed is not a strawman. Rather, it is some kind of chimeric straw man-beast with a heart two sizes too small. Mourn has already delved into this somewhat, but it bears repeating.</p><p></p><p>Your comments begin with a broad swipe at anyone looking forward to 4E. Not a great start. You then go on to say that we are "clamoring for a system which encourages 'high fantasy heroic'," while at the same time "complaining about the high power level of the game at any point after 6th level and after 12th level especially." "At the same time" kind of suggests that the second half of that sentence were even remotely alluded to during the course of the thread; it hasn't been. Nor has anyone here complained "about the current system being too gritty," nor "about how much can be achieved with the awesome magical power characters wield." Huzzah, you've taken totally unrelated points, presented them as incongruous (which I'm not entirely convinced they are), and used them to take a potshot at an entire community. Nice.</p><p></p><p>What it actually sounds like is you've listened to every complaint about 3.5 ever and rolled them all up into a self-destructive burrito of 4E doom, patting yourself on the back on how your own beliefs are more consistent than the beliefs of everyone-who-is-not-you are. This is hardly an accomplishment, and the discussion would work a lot better if snark were kept to comments that have actually been made here rather than being directed at comments that some other guy made somewhere else some time ago.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Merlin the Tuna, post: 3807884, member: 55638"] What you have constructed is not a strawman. Rather, it is some kind of chimeric straw man-beast with a heart two sizes too small. Mourn has already delved into this somewhat, but it bears repeating. Your comments begin with a broad swipe at anyone looking forward to 4E. Not a great start. You then go on to say that we are "clamoring for a system which encourages 'high fantasy heroic'," while at the same time "complaining about the high power level of the game at any point after 6th level and after 12th level especially." "At the same time" kind of suggests that the second half of that sentence were even remotely alluded to during the course of the thread; it hasn't been. Nor has anyone here complained "about the current system being too gritty," nor "about how much can be achieved with the awesome magical power characters wield." Huzzah, you've taken totally unrelated points, presented them as incongruous (which I'm not entirely convinced they are), and used them to take a potshot at an entire community. Nice. What it actually sounds like is you've listened to every complaint about 3.5 ever and rolled them all up into a self-destructive burrito of 4E doom, patting yourself on the back on how your own beliefs are more consistent than the beliefs of everyone-who-is-not-you are. This is hardly an accomplishment, and the discussion would work a lot better if snark were kept to comments that have actually been made here rather than being directed at comments that some other guy made somewhere else some time ago. [/QUOTE]
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