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<blockquote data-quote="The Little Raven" data-source="post: 3808491" data-attributes="member: 10095"><p>Don't try to put words in my mouth. I said having a skill with a single, limited purpose (just like Intuit Direction on it's own in 3.0), and having others that cover a broader spectrum of capability ( is bad design. Having a single skill that can substitute in for a number of other skills (Sailor encompassing the ability to swim, navigate, repair and mend, tie ropes, balance, climb, etc) is equally as bad.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And turning one skill into some kind of mega-skill that can do all kinds of technically unrelated things (how does tying ropes relate to swimming, or balancing?) is bad design. It's the same problem I have with Martial Arts in Exalted, and it's ability to intrude on the domain of every other skill in that game.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The NPC classes were horrible for modeling crafters, since to make an extraordinary crafter, he is automatically high level. I don't need rules for how many skill ranks an NPC has in Profession (underwater basketweaver). I just need to know what kinds of things he can provide my players with.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And they've said they're coming up with a more intensive social system that will feature multiples roles to manipulate the encounter without just reducing it to either a single roll to simple walk all over people, or reducing the skills required to a single super-skill.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Little Raven, post: 3808491, member: 10095"] Don't try to put words in my mouth. I said having a skill with a single, limited purpose (just like Intuit Direction on it's own in 3.0), and having others that cover a broader spectrum of capability ( is bad design. Having a single skill that can substitute in for a number of other skills (Sailor encompassing the ability to swim, navigate, repair and mend, tie ropes, balance, climb, etc) is equally as bad. And turning one skill into some kind of mega-skill that can do all kinds of technically unrelated things (how does tying ropes relate to swimming, or balancing?) is bad design. It's the same problem I have with Martial Arts in Exalted, and it's ability to intrude on the domain of every other skill in that game. The NPC classes were horrible for modeling crafters, since to make an extraordinary crafter, he is automatically high level. I don't need rules for how many skill ranks an NPC has in Profession (underwater basketweaver). I just need to know what kinds of things he can provide my players with. And they've said they're coming up with a more intensive social system that will feature multiples roles to manipulate the encounter without just reducing it to either a single roll to simple walk all over people, or reducing the skills required to a single super-skill. [/QUOTE]
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