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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zurai" data-source="post: 3810002" data-attributes="member: 52324">Then why do you keep bringing it up?Seriously, I'm not married to it! It's a brilliantly stupid example because it only works in extreme cases. But if people keep bringing it up and trying to find an extreme case where it works, I'm gonna keep pointing out that it still doesn't work.The point that brought this entire stupid debate up in the first place was a DM saying he was comfortable with there being skill checks he could tell a character "No, can't be done" for, and someone asking why that doesn't apply to combat checks.Amusingly, no one has commented on my answer pertaining to the real reason why, just tried to pick holes in the math of the most ridiculous of the ridiculous examples given by people who think combat works differently.</blockquote>