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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 3811321" data-attributes="member: 710">Keep in mind that some DCs are more or less "mandated" by the rules - if you have a group of ambushers, they will probably have hide and move silently ranks. Sure, they don't have to maximize the skills, but if these enemies are supposed to be sneaky, why haven't they maximized it?If the level is high enough, the skill difference between untrained and trained reaches a point where any one not maximizing spot cannot succeed. And that's the point where it is no longer interesting for anyone besides the "skill maxer" to make such a roll. Yes, as the DM you can change this. But why can't I just take the system out of the box, use its general implications and reach a satisfiable result for all players?</blockquote>