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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jasin" data-source="post: 3811567" data-attributes="member: 7531">It might very well be how Saga does it (I can't check, and I don't remember).That's true, but then, 3E often has trouble with that kind of character too, in the sense that they tend to suck. I very rarely see 3E characters with skill at less than maximum, which couldn't sacrifice that skill completely without compromising the concept much. (There are exceptions of course. One of the most fun things about my wizard is that he knows everything: at least a single rank in every single knowledge skill. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />)But it could be argued that in Saga, everyone's a dabbler: in skills in which you aren't trained, you'll have modifiers somewhere between trained and not trained by 3E standards: +1/2 level, much like trained cross-class in 3E.And if you want to model a jack-of-all-trades as distinct from the default omnicompetent hero in Saga, you might do it by way of class abilities. +2 to all untrained skill checks? Reroll all untrained skill checks (always, a certain number of times per day, or a certain number of times per encounter)? Allow a certain number of skills that can be used for trained-only uses even if you're untrained?</blockquote>