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<blockquote data-quote="Killjoy115" data-source="post: 6603752" data-attributes="member: 6794650">hmm I hesitate to set that as a precedent cause then any int 1 or 2 creature they happen to come across becomes a potential upgrade to that dino (and that thing's MORE than a handful in it's own right being stronger than the raging barbarian, more agile than the scout, and tougher than the dragon shaman... which is why I don't do encounters with no room to move anymore. him doing full attack with both char and dino is WAY worse than a single ride by attack cause as I understand it, the mount doesn't get to attack on a ride-by) in any case, I think breaking should be a long-term task.that's a good point... maybe it would be fair to increase the DC by the creature's grapple mod (minus the size bonus) to represent how much harder it is to stay on something that isn't happy about having a rider? I did say when I started, 'no house rules' since this is only my 2nd attempt at DMing (the first was a disaster) but I guess I have to since the rules don't seem to cover it anywhere... unless anyone else knows a book that does?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Killjoy115, post: 6603752, member: 6794650"] hmm I hesitate to set that as a precedent cause then any int 1 or 2 creature they happen to come across becomes a potential upgrade to that dino (and that thing's MORE than a handful in it's own right being stronger than the raging barbarian, more agile than the scout, and tougher than the dragon shaman... which is why I don't do encounters with no room to move anymore. him doing full attack with both char and dino is WAY worse than a single ride by attack cause as I understand it, the mount doesn't get to attack on a ride-by) in any case, I think breaking should be a long-term task. that's a good point... maybe it would be fair to increase the DC by the creature's grapple mod (minus the size bonus) to represent how much harder it is to stay on something that isn't happy about having a rider? I did say when I started, 'no house rules' since this is only my 2nd attempt at DMing (the first was a disaster) but I guess I have to since the rules don't seem to cover it anywhere... unless anyone else knows a book that does? [/QUOTE]

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