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<blockquote data-quote="Warpiglet" data-source="post: 6932987" data-attributes="member: 6689161">I believe it does as it is on the same spell list.&nbsp; I agree about utility.&nbsp; My plan to take it is to get access to another non abjur, non evoc selections early.&nbsp; At level 4, I want to have silent image, disguise self, thunder wave and shield.&nbsp; The fear is needed for that. I also want Mage hand, minor illusion, shocking grasp and perhaps dancing lights or blade ward.&nbsp; Sort of regretting half Orc since high elf would have netted me another cantrip choice.&nbsp; I could later also take spell sniper for a ranged cantrip I believe but hate to use a feat for that.&nbsp;&nbsp; I do need some ranged ability though.&nbsp; It's just hard for me to lose the utility.&nbsp; I think ink trying to get more magic items is a good idea and perhaps ritual caster.&nbsp; Find familiar, detect magic....all really good stuff.&nbsp; But where to fit it all?&nbsp; This all means ASI are out for a bit too.&nbsp; Decisions decisions.&nbsp;&nbsp; I would dump initiate but want more cantrips.&nbsp; Ah well...i I may have had a better concept initially with the elf too.&nbsp; Whatever.&nbsp;&nbsp; I shall make this a fun character regardless.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Warpiglet, post: 6932987, member: 6689161"] I believe it does as it is on the same spell list. I agree about utility. My plan to take it is to get access to another non abjur, non evoc selections early. At level 4, I want to have silent image, disguise self, thunder wave and shield. The fear is needed for that. I also want Mage hand, minor illusion, shocking grasp and perhaps dancing lights or blade ward. Sort of regretting half Orc since high elf would have netted me another cantrip choice. I could later also take spell sniper for a ranged cantrip I believe but hate to use a feat for that. I do need some ranged ability though. It's just hard for me to lose the utility. I think ink trying to get more magic items is a good idea and perhaps ritual caster. Find familiar, detect magic....all really good stuff. But where to fit it all? This all means ASI are out for a bit too. Decisions decisions. I would dump initiate but want more cantrips. Ah well... i I may have had a better concept initially with the elf too. Whatever. I shall make this a fun character regardless. [/QUOTE]

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