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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8240152" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>That's not how it works, though, as I illustrated. Do you need me to go on and dig up more show costs? They're really easy to find out.</p><p></p><p>Doctor Who and the BBC in general are an aberration, and the only reason they spend so little is that they're constrained by the fact that they have to provide a huge broad service, whilst going off a completely fixed budget which isn't expanding (TV licences) and cannot really expand. This isn't going to be a BBC production, unless it's BBC America, who can use much larger budgets, as they aren't constrained the same way. Even then, it would likely be BBC America AND HBO, because it's rare that they don't partner with someone.</p><p></p><p>You say Disney throw silly money at their shows, but I'm pretty sure I illustrated that they only throw 10-50% more than most other people at them than other people do, which is not that silly. Most people are spending arounds $10m/episode on this kind of thing. Even non-SF shows are often spending $3-5m/episode, and some are spending $10m or even more without even really needing CGI etc. just due to ludicrous location shooting costs and the like.</p><p></p><p>I mean, dude, Deadwood back in 2004 was $4.5m/episode. The Tick which looks low-budget (though blows Doctor Who away I admit) is $5m/episode. Frickin' Frasier in the 1990s was north of $5m/episode. A show I've barely even heard of, The Alienist, was $7.5m/episode. Marco Polo is $9m/episode, and looks like it cost a fraction of that lol. But location shooting man, location shooting will KILL YOUR BUDGET DEAD. Rome back in 2005 was 9m/episode. The Crown is $13m/episode.</p><p></p><p>I can go on, as I said. You simply are not going to make a costume drama, fantasy or otherwise, which is of acceptable quality for a streaming service or major network in the US, for less than like $7-8m, and one which has SF elements? I'd be shocked if you could do it for less than $10m.</p><p></p><p>As an aside, one of friends knows Steven Moffat (like actually has him round the house sometimes - I was invited once but demurred), and he has heard it from Moffat that making Who on the budget they have is basically impossible, and ridiculous amounts of effort have to go into cost-cutting and arranging things to happen the very cheapest way possible, to the point where that's almost more what making the show is about than, y'know, actually making the show. Obviously that's completely anecdotal, and so on, but you can't take a desperation-born BBC show as representative.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8240152, member: 18"] That's not how it works, though, as I illustrated. Do you need me to go on and dig up more show costs? They're really easy to find out. Doctor Who and the BBC in general are an aberration, and the only reason they spend so little is that they're constrained by the fact that they have to provide a huge broad service, whilst going off a completely fixed budget which isn't expanding (TV licences) and cannot really expand. This isn't going to be a BBC production, unless it's BBC America, who can use much larger budgets, as they aren't constrained the same way. Even then, it would likely be BBC America AND HBO, because it's rare that they don't partner with someone. You say Disney throw silly money at their shows, but I'm pretty sure I illustrated that they only throw 10-50% more than most other people at them than other people do, which is not that silly. Most people are spending arounds $10m/episode on this kind of thing. Even non-SF shows are often spending $3-5m/episode, and some are spending $10m or even more without even really needing CGI etc. just due to ludicrous location shooting costs and the like. I mean, dude, Deadwood back in 2004 was $4.5m/episode. The Tick which looks low-budget (though blows Doctor Who away I admit) is $5m/episode. Frickin' Frasier in the 1990s was north of $5m/episode. A show I've barely even heard of, The Alienist, was $7.5m/episode. Marco Polo is $9m/episode, and looks like it cost a fraction of that lol. But location shooting man, location shooting will KILL YOUR BUDGET DEAD. Rome back in 2005 was 9m/episode. The Crown is $13m/episode. I can go on, as I said. You simply are not going to make a costume drama, fantasy or otherwise, which is of acceptable quality for a streaming service or major network in the US, for less than like $7-8m, and one which has SF elements? I'd be shocked if you could do it for less than $10m. As an aside, one of friends knows Steven Moffat (like actually has him round the house sometimes - I was invited once but demurred), and he has heard it from Moffat that making Who on the budget they have is basically impossible, and ridiculous amounts of effort have to go into cost-cutting and arranging things to happen the very cheapest way possible, to the point where that's almost more what making the show is about than, y'know, actually making the show. Obviously that's completely anecdotal, and so on, but you can't take a desperation-born BBC show as representative. [/QUOTE]
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