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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Corwin the Confused" data-source="post: 588115" data-attributes="member: 4774">HELP with 4th Lvl Spells...pleaseI just wanted to give an update on my 8th lvl Human Sorc 6/ MotAO 2. I decided not to blow a feat on an improved familiar and I got a toad for the Con boost. I posted the latest progression below. There have been some changes from the original below the below. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I have descent hit points because of the toad, but my AC blows without shield or a scroll of Mage Armour, but such is the life of a Mage who likes 0% spell failure, with no money for Mithral.Some of my party members have been less than happy with my spell selections (i.e. the lack of BUFFS) but I have been very effective with Sculpted Burning Hands and now Fireball. I was happy that I purchased scrolls of the spells that I don't know. They really came in useful and were a major factor in battles that could have been TPK's. It also keeps the party’s complaining down a lot.I have the following stats:Str 13Dex 16 + 2(gloves of dex) = 18Con 15 + 2(toad) = 17Int 14    <===this stat is killing me for skill points and don't get me started about why a Sorc doesn't get a Char based class skillsWis 13Cha 18 + 2(Lvl) + 2(cloak of Char) = 22Feats: Arcane Preparation (I use this all the time so that I can get off my Sculpted Burning Hands and more in one round.), Cooperative Spell (I know that this is a lame prerequisite but it might come in handy if I get a Simulacrum.), Energy Substitution: Sonic (I’ll get Empower next Lvl.) Sculpt Spell (Awesome for +1 Lvl.), Silent Spell (I have yet to use this one, but I am warm and fuzzy inside knowing it’s there in case a nasty cleric casts Silence on me.)0th Lvl Spell: Dancing Lights, Detect Magic, Light, Mage Hand, Prestidigitation, Ray of Frost, Read Magic1st Lvl Spell: Burning Hands, Magic Missile, Ray of Enfeeblement (I have yet to use this one.), Sheild, True Strike (I have yet to use this one.)2nd Lvl Spell: Blur (Not on my original list and I wish that it wasn’t won of my spells and I think that Blindness/Deafness would have been better.), Glitterdust, Melf’s Acid Arrow3rd Lvl Spell: Fireball (I couldn’t resist because I like it when THINGS GET BLOWED UP REAL GOOD <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> ) , SlowHere is my quandary:4th Lvl Spell: I guess I am not too pumped on any of the fourth Lvl spells. I am leaning towards Improved Invisibility first. Evard’s Black Tentacles seems weak since it grapples on the your turn after it appears. So can’t the other caster just move out of the way? Also then the fighters would complain about having to kill my tentacles after the encounter was over.I think that I should take Polymorph Other instead of Polymorph Self because Poly Other can be used as a buff and an attack. Also in our last campaign the Wizard would always Poly Self and wade into battle. This takes some of the fun away for the fighters and is very munchkiny.Just how good is Enervation? I like the no save thing but I am unsure.Please reassure me or give me other suggestions for 4th Lvl SpellsStr 13Dex 15Con 16Int 14Wis 13Cha 181st Lvl Sorc 10th Lvl Spell: Det Magic, Read Magic, Prestidigitation, Dancing Lights1st Lvl Spell: Magic Missle, ShieldFeat: Arcane Preparation, Silent Spell2nd Lvl Sorc 20th Lvl Spell: Mage HandI am currently this level:3rd Lvl Sorc 31st Lvl Spell: Burning Hands (Refl Sv ½)Feat: Sculpt Spell 4th Lvl Sorc 40th Lvl Spell: Light2nd Lvl Spell: Glitterdust (Will Sv)Ability +1 Charisma (19)5th Lvl Sorc 51st Lvl Spell: Ray of Enfeeblement2nd Lvl Spell: Melf’s Acid Arrow (Ok, Elder-Basilisk, Ice Knife is gone and but is Acid Arrow forbidden for Elemental Savant Air or just Energy Substitution Acid?) 6th Lvl Sorc 60th Lvl Spell: Mage Hand3rd Lvl Spell: HasteFeat: Cooperative Spell 7th Lvl Sorc 6/MotAO 1(Spellpool I) 1st Lvl Spell: True Strike2nd Lvl Spell: Blindness/Deafness3rd Lvl Spell: Slow8th Lvl Sorc 6/MotAO 21st Lvl Spell: 4th Lvl Spell: Evard’s Black TentaclesAbility +1 Charisma (20)Feat: Empower Spell 9th Lvl Sorc 6/MotAO 33rd Lvl Spell: Lightening Bolt (Ref Sv)4th Lvl Spell: EnervationFeat: Energy Substitution: Sonic10th Lvl Sorc 6/MotAO 4(Spellpool II)0th Lvl Spell: Open/Close5th Lvl Spell: Teleport5th Lvl Spell: Ghostform11th Lvl Sorc 6/MotAO 52nd Lvl Spell: Detect Thoughts3rd Lvl Spell: Fireball (Ref Sv ½ )4th Lvl Spell: Improved Invisibility (Ok, everyone I have only one Wall.)  5th Lvl Spell: Wall of Force12th Lvl Sorc 6/MotAO 66th Lvl Spell: Greater DispellingAbility +1 Charisma (21) Feat: Quicken Spell13th Lvl Sorc 6/MotAO 7 (Spellpool III)4th Lvl Spell: Polymorph Self5th Lvl Spell: Energy Buffer6th Lvl Spell: Eye Bite14th Lvl Sorc 6/MotAO 87th Lvl Spell: Limited Wish15th Lvl Sorc 6/MotAO 95th Lvl Spell: Cone of Cold6th Lvl Spell: Antimagic Field7th Lvl Spell: Summon Monster VIIFeat: Spell PenetrationFeat: Energy Substitution: Electricity16thLvl Sorc 6/MotAO 102nd Lvl Spell: Mirror Image6th Lvl Spell: Disintegrate7th Lvl Spell: Finger of Death8th Lvl Spell: SymbolAbility +1 Charisma (22)17th Lvl Sorc 6/MotAO 10/ ES (Air) 17th Lvl Spell: Reverse Gravity8th Lvl Spell: Maze18th Lvl Sorc 6/MotAO 10/ ES (Air) 29th Lvl Spell: Time StopFeat: Greater Spell Penetration19th Lvl Sorc 6/MotAO 10/ ES (Air) 38th Lvl Spell: Otto’s Irresistible Dance (With Mind Blank’s day long duration I could get it from the Spell Pool.)  9th Lvl Spell: Gate20th Lvl Sorc 6/MotAO 10/ ES (Air) 49th Lvl Spell: Wail of the BansheeAbility +1 Charisma (23)21st Lvl Sorc 6/MotAO 11/ ES (Air) 5What spell do I get at 21st level?</blockquote>

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