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<blockquote data-quote="Elvinis75" data-source="post: 1080337" data-attributes="member: 4379"><p><strong>My thoughts</strong></p><p></p><p>Ok guys I have read this all the way through and have some questions and thoughts. </p><p>First is the SRD official?</p><p>If so it uses the word “if” the word if in functions is meant as a qualifier. </p><p>“ConditionA if conditionB or conditionC” means that conditionA is true when Conditions B or C are true. It doesn’t tell us anything further than that.</p><p>I agree that all other possibilities are not mentioned but in truth they don’t have to.</p><p>It would be nicer if it did, I agree. But there are other things to consider.</p><p>The Condition “retains her Dexterity bonus to AC (if any)” is the default even without Uncanny Dodge. A person retains her “dex all the time” except when a condition specificly takes it away. So then any reasonable person expects that when an ability is listed it is assumed that they are going to explain how it differs from the normal condition that it is modifying. Now UD goes on to say even if INV and FF. The two conditions listed would normally remove the default condition but UD trumps them. </p><p>I see where some of you say that “even if” is not exclusionary.</p><p>They should have written it differently. However making it apply to other things makes a DM take a step that we have been told not to take. That is to assume things that are not stated. </p><p>To sum up UD is an special ability that adds additional capabilities to a character and spells out some conditions now do not apply that would cause a change in the default. I strongly believe that if they wanted UD to always apply they would have stated:</p><p>“She ‘always’ retains her Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) even if she is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker.” Beyond that it doesn’t always trump all other conditions rather it modifies the default condition adding more situations when it applies.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elvinis75, post: 1080337, member: 4379"] [b]My thoughts[/b] Ok guys I have read this all the way through and have some questions and thoughts. First is the SRD official? If so it uses the word “if” the word if in functions is meant as a qualifier. “ConditionA if conditionB or conditionC” means that conditionA is true when Conditions B or C are true. It doesn’t tell us anything further than that. I agree that all other possibilities are not mentioned but in truth they don’t have to. It would be nicer if it did, I agree. But there are other things to consider. The Condition “retains her Dexterity bonus to AC (if any)” is the default even without Uncanny Dodge. A person retains her “dex all the time” except when a condition specificly takes it away. So then any reasonable person expects that when an ability is listed it is assumed that they are going to explain how it differs from the normal condition that it is modifying. Now UD goes on to say even if INV and FF. The two conditions listed would normally remove the default condition but UD trumps them. I see where some of you say that “even if” is not exclusionary. They should have written it differently. However making it apply to other things makes a DM take a step that we have been told not to take. That is to assume things that are not stated. To sum up UD is an special ability that adds additional capabilities to a character and spells out some conditions now do not apply that would cause a change in the default. I strongly believe that if they wanted UD to always apply they would have stated: “She ‘always’ retains her Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) even if she is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker.” Beyond that it doesn’t always trump all other conditions rather it modifies the default condition adding more situations when it applies. [/QUOTE]
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