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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mark CMG" data-source="post: 7658651" data-attributes="member: 10479">Just looking at the rest of your post, it appears there is quite a bit of semantic gymnastics and assumption being used to back up this hyperbole.  3E launched a single book out of the gate, not the whole set, during a time when the Internet was just beginning to be leveraged for such things.  Ryan Dancey clearly says he has no numbers for 4E while you imply he is speaking to the numbers in your opening paragraph.  As to 5E, I hope it is doing well but I honestly see no evidence it is the off-the-charts success you claim it is.If I saw huge swaths of PF folks moving back over to 5E, I'd agree in a heartbeat that 5E must be doing very well indeed.  If I saw a huge drop in OSR movements rather than growth, with folks saying they were moving toward 5E I would consider these hyperbolic claims.  Maybe the bigger conventions are having strong turnouts for D&D 5E events but among the smaller conventions and gamedays I am only seeing a smattering of D&D events listed.  The PF events seem very prevalent and popular.If 5E sales figures are as astronomical as you say, folks don't seem to be making anywhere near the appearances at events that I would expect to see after such claims.  Gen Con?  Of course.  Winter Fantasy?  Seems to be doing well with 5E stuff.  But is this spreading naturally out to other events like the virus it should be for what you say is "off-the-charts?"  I'm just not seeing it.And let me say that I think 5E is a good RPG.  I think it has some issues as all of them do but it is solid and the production values are huge.  I think they oversold it as an OSR replacement, as there are just too many modern RPGisms that regularly pop up in gameplay to keep it feeling OS.  But combats are quick and the Advantage / Disadvantage mechanic is a clever one to add into the game.I hope it continues to do well but, dude, dial it back a bit on the hype already.  Anyone with eyes can look around at what is happening at stores and events (though some will see only what is happening at their one or two local places).  I get to a lot of events and whenever I put together a monthly roundup for upcoming ones, I look through the events listings.  I should be seeing a heck of a lot more for D&D for your hype to be correct.  Mind you, they are doing decently but, as said, it's not cutting into anything else.  There are no system mass migrations happening.</blockquote>

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