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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mark CMG" data-source="post: 7658657" data-attributes="member: 10479">Yeah, I think every D&D edition launch has been a success.  I don't think the brand owner is ever satisfied with the numbers and I don't think anyone associated with the brand would ever say it wasn't a great success.  But what are the particulars leading any one person to see something as a success, or not as successful as expected?  I'm going by the events listings at conventions and gamedays I monitor, mostly around the US but some abroad.  Nothing compiled but it is simple enough for anyone to go to a handful of sites (like Warhorn.net), look around and come to their own conclusions.I was talking to a gamestore guy this last week that told me he was having trouble moving 5E though PF was still doing brisk business (and he clearly keeps the doors open and lights on due to MtG).  He told me the PF Starter still does better than the 5E Starter.  I told him to push the price difference if he wanted to sell more of one than the other.I don't know that we can judge 5E as a success or not overall until we see how it is doing one year in or so.  PF continues to be successful because it has tons of support from all quarters, in-house and out, lots of oars rowing in the same direction.  Thus far, 5E has very limited support, even from WotC.  Unless that changes a great deal, more 5E products from somewhere and a more extensive presence for the Adventurer's League, and a lot more grassroots games being run at conventions and gamedays by fans, I'm not sure this will rise to the level where it can be called much of a success.  A success, but not much of one, is still a success.  But then we start to look at other things.  Is WotC still the undisputed industry leader?  (I think so for now.)  Is 5E's limited success a sign of industry wide failure?  (Naw.  All signs are that the RPG industry is doing very well with no slowing down.)</blockquote>

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