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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7715762" data-attributes="member: 5142">So which false claims have I repeated? Furthermore, I would suggest that you refrain from making assertions about my character and actions, as I have politely refrained from making any about you. Similar videos have been shown about weaponry other than archery with similar results against mail. I do not doubt that arrows could penetrate mail armor or be fired rapidly, but it's also paramount to recognize a number of factors. (1) In many mock weapon trials (not just archery) against mail, the mail armor is often placed on a solid (non-moving) dummy, which actually increases the efficacy of the penetration/slashing on the armor. (2) Chain armor has never been just chain armor, as is often the case in many videos, but also included gambeson/padded armor. This is all not to say that arrows can't penetrate the armor, but that these sort of mock trials don't necessarily reflect much beyond the trial conditions. (3) These videos would only support the argument for the (composite) short bow but don't address other ranged weaponry. (4) These videos do not make a compelling case for why ranged weapons should be privileged with a &quot;better&quot; initiative order over melee weapon attacks. I don't recall doubting that. My assertion was that it is trick/sport archery. And Lars is a trick shooter, while Kassai created competitive (Hungarian) Horseback Archery as a sport. Did we even watch the same video that you posted? There is actually not much they tell you about Kassai in that regard if you actually listen. Or I did watch them, but I don't find the video sources historically compelling or buy the argument you are making at face value? Then why can't a melee weapon be faster than a ranged one given a similar pretext?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7715762, member: 5142"] So which false claims have I repeated? Furthermore, I would suggest that you refrain from making assertions about my character and actions, as I have politely refrained from making any about you. Similar videos have been shown about weaponry other than archery with similar results against mail. I do not doubt that arrows could penetrate mail armor or be fired rapidly, but it's also paramount to recognize a number of factors. (1) In many mock weapon trials (not just archery) against mail, the mail armor is often placed on a solid (non-moving) dummy, which actually increases the efficacy of the penetration/slashing on the armor. (2) Chain armor has never been just chain armor, as is often the case in many videos, but also included gambeson/padded armor. This is all not to say that arrows can't penetrate the armor, but that these sort of mock trials don't necessarily reflect much beyond the trial conditions. (3) These videos would only support the argument for the (composite) short bow but don't address other ranged weaponry. (4) These videos do not make a compelling case for why ranged weapons should be privileged with a "better" initiative order over melee weapon attacks. I don't recall doubting that. My assertion was that it is trick/sport archery. And Lars is a trick shooter, while Kassai created competitive (Hungarian) Horseback Archery as a sport. Did we even watch the same video that you posted? There is actually not much they tell you about Kassai in that regard if you actually listen. Or I did watch them, but I don't find the video sources historically compelling or buy the argument you are making at face value? Then why can't a melee weapon be faster than a ranged one given a similar pretext? [/QUOTE]

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