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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 7680391" data-attributes="member: 2525">Exactly.&nbsp; They have a reason, and it's not an excuse but an actual reason.ICv2 data for one. For another, I never said they were a source of the success, I said because of Magic and WOTCs ties to their retail stores it's a good reason from their perspective.Doesn't matter.&nbsp; The retailers THINK it's true and that's what matters to WOTC - keeping their retailers happy.WOTC is the industry leader, and they're not doing it, so obviously not the industry standard if the industry leader isn't doing it <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Regardless, &quot;everyone is doing it&quot; isn't a compelling reason in itself.[cut the stuff about Paizo doing well or worse - it's a non-sequiter and meaningless argument for this topic]I already responded to this point before you made it - I even spelled the point out for you to make it clear I was responding in anticipation of it.&nbsp; You cutting that part of the response, then calling my logic faulty for not addressing it, is a total strawman.&nbsp; It was the very next sentence of the same paragraph: &quot;And you'd have to prove they would have more success in this first year if they also sold PDFs - something you cannot prove right now, and which Paizo (who is doing worse than WOTC right now from all reports, and who does not have the same tighter relationship with retailers that WOTC has, and who is not in their first year of sales of their game) does not prove for you.&quot; You're the one advocating for change and claiming failure - the burden is on you to demonstrate that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 7680391, member: 2525"] Exactly. They have a reason, and it's not an excuse but an actual reason. ICv2 data for one. For another, I never said they were a source of the success, I said because of Magic and WOTCs ties to their retail stores it's a good reason from their perspective. Doesn't matter. The retailers THINK it's true and that's what matters to WOTC - keeping their retailers happy. WOTC is the industry leader, and they're not doing it, so obviously not the industry standard if the industry leader isn't doing it :) Regardless, "everyone is doing it" isn't a compelling reason in itself. [cut the stuff about Paizo doing well or worse - it's a non-sequiter and meaningless argument for this topic] I already responded to this point before you made it - I even spelled the point out for you to make it clear I was responding in anticipation of it. You cutting that part of the response, then calling my logic faulty for not addressing it, is a total strawman. It was the very next sentence of the same paragraph: "And [B]you'd have to prove they would have more success in this first year if they also sold PDFs - something you cannot prove right now[/B], and which Paizo (who is doing worse than WOTC right now from all reports, and who does not have the same tighter relationship with retailers that WOTC has, and who is not in their first year of sales of their game) does not prove for you." You're the one advocating for change and claiming failure - the burden is on you to demonstrate that. [/QUOTE]

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