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<blockquote data-quote="timbannock" data-source="post: 7680474" data-attributes="member: 17913"><p>I can say little beyond "I agree." But I'll still try:</p><p></p><p>This is my current biggest argument with WoTC's release strategy as well. Making things available is great, but the method they are doing so requires a higher buy-in for casual fans, and for the hardcore folks, it's either (a) more work, because we have to scan, photoshop, and/or print the stuff for our home game, or (b) wait for someone to do so and make it available for free online...</p><p></p><p>...which in turn is sorta-kinda a slap in the face of the artist who drew the map and is selling it on their website thanks to Wizards. And also, where is the marketing that these artists are even making this stuff available? I see it, but I don't see much of it, and it's not immediately noticeable in a blinking-neon-font sort of way on Wizards' website...plus different artists do different adventures, so it's not like these things are stuff you'll snag based purely off memory with each adventure release.</p><p></p><p>It's a vicious circle: it's a barrier to some, a hurdle to some, a likely source of contention between artists and gamers, and overall, lost revenue.</p><p></p><p>There's so many (relatively) easy solutions to this, all certainly within WoTC's abilities, too:</p><p></p><p>1. PDF map packs</p><p>1a. PDF map packs + print option (we've already seen this with the Elemental Evil Player's Companion)</p><p></p><p>2. Print map packs released at the same time as the adventure (Wizards released how many tile sets and map folio thingies during 3e and 4e? They've got the resources, and if not...)</p><p></p><p>3. Licensed map packs in print from Gale Force or one of their other partners</p><p></p><p>4. Fold out maps or perforated maps in the adventure books, and pay your artists the right amount so they don't feel like they have to sell these maps on their personal sites (this is really the cheapest option, and if they included the damn player versions that'd be great)</p><p></p><p>5. Make every adventure a boxed set like the Starter Set, but priced accordingly, and use the box space properly (fold out maps, minis, dice, maybe a copy of that rules book from the Starter and some pregens so that every single adventure is playable out of the box)</p><p></p><p>Am I missing anything? I mean, some of these are certainly an investment and more of a prestige format that I want, rather than something Wizards should feel obligated to do, but others (like the print/pdf combo on DriveThru) are simply no-brainers, super easy and require no more investment than WoTC already has in the product. Hell, they could probably get whoever's doing the Fantasy Grounds conversions to bundle this stuff up for DriveThru at no extra charge, and all they have to do is toss the artist a couple extra bucks per commissioned art piece, while raking in more dough from PDF/print sales of the map packs at a lower cost to the end customer.</p><p></p><p>Seriously. This is like Business 101.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="timbannock, post: 7680474, member: 17913"] I can say little beyond "I agree." But I'll still try: This is my current biggest argument with WoTC's release strategy as well. Making things available is great, but the method they are doing so requires a higher buy-in for casual fans, and for the hardcore folks, it's either (a) more work, because we have to scan, photoshop, and/or print the stuff for our home game, or (b) wait for someone to do so and make it available for free online... ...which in turn is sorta-kinda a slap in the face of the artist who drew the map and is selling it on their website thanks to Wizards. And also, where is the marketing that these artists are even making this stuff available? I see it, but I don't see much of it, and it's not immediately noticeable in a blinking-neon-font sort of way on Wizards' website...plus different artists do different adventures, so it's not like these things are stuff you'll snag based purely off memory with each adventure release. It's a vicious circle: it's a barrier to some, a hurdle to some, a likely source of contention between artists and gamers, and overall, lost revenue. There's so many (relatively) easy solutions to this, all certainly within WoTC's abilities, too: 1. PDF map packs 1a. PDF map packs + print option (we've already seen this with the Elemental Evil Player's Companion) 2. Print map packs released at the same time as the adventure (Wizards released how many tile sets and map folio thingies during 3e and 4e? They've got the resources, and if not...) 3. Licensed map packs in print from Gale Force or one of their other partners 4. Fold out maps or perforated maps in the adventure books, and pay your artists the right amount so they don't feel like they have to sell these maps on their personal sites (this is really the cheapest option, and if they included the damn player versions that'd be great) 5. Make every adventure a boxed set like the Starter Set, but priced accordingly, and use the box space properly (fold out maps, minis, dice, maybe a copy of that rules book from the Starter and some pregens so that every single adventure is playable out of the box) Am I missing anything? I mean, some of these are certainly an investment and more of a prestige format that I want, rather than something Wizards should feel obligated to do, but others (like the print/pdf combo on DriveThru) are simply no-brainers, super easy and require no more investment than WoTC already has in the product. Hell, they could probably get whoever's doing the Fantasy Grounds conversions to bundle this stuff up for DriveThru at no extra charge, and all they have to do is toss the artist a couple extra bucks per commissioned art piece, while raking in more dough from PDF/print sales of the map packs at a lower cost to the end customer. Seriously. This is like Business 101. [/QUOTE]
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