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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 7659473" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>How dare Jeremy put the kabosh on all the righteous indignation going around.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok, in terms of full disclosure, I will admit that I'm probably a bit more irritated about this thing than I would be if it were in a vacuum. But it seems that over the past couple years, there have been people who seem to take an almost pathologically unhealthy obsession with attacking WoTC and Mearls. For what? Because they're designing a game that you don't like? Implications and/or accusations of sexism and bigotry are pretty darn serious things in my opinion. And I'm getting pretty frustrated at the same group of people who will piss in the pool by immediately doing crap like this. I.e., making some claim that Mearls and WoTC is against women (the whole "D&D has no women working for it anymore. Way to go misogynists!") when the truth is nothing of the sort. There's plenty of legitimate misogyny and privilege in the world going on, so how about we focus on those instead of trying to bring Mearls and WotC "to justice" based on false accusations? I like D&D. I like what WoTC did with this edition. I understand WoTC is a corporation and thus I understand things like layoffs happen. I can open the books and see that WoTC has an incredibly diverse team that worked on D&D, including putting women in significant positions of importance. I think that really helped the product, but I think it happened because those women were the best qualified for the job and not given the position to meet some quota. Based on the quality of the things those women were in charge of (like the art), I have no doubt in my mind that they were the best for the job because it's some of the best art in D&D ever. And this coming from a guy who loves a lot of the TSR era art. Tramp, Otus, et al are some of my all time favorites. I do NOT assume they got those positions just because WoTC wants X % of staff to be women. I believe that women are just as good as men at every facet of this industry, so the only logical conclusion is that if you hire the best person, you're going to get pretty close to a 50/50 split. When I look at the books, that's what I am seeing.</p><p></p><p>But I also don't think it automatically makes them sexist or discriminatory if they didn't hit that magical # of what % of each team is part of an ethnic group. I don't think it's intellectually responsible or honest to assume they are "part of the problem" if the 8 folks are men because that statement assumes there's a problem there to begin with because it assumes WoTC is perpetuating and/or reinforcing a discriminatory environment. Not only is there no evidence of this, but based on the highly diverse workforce they had on D&D, it seems very unlikely. Can we look a little deeper before we start throwing out baseless accusations please? Can we stop attacking WoTC like it's some sort of evil entity when they are doing nothing any different than any other business? Can we stop taking shots at Mearls personally because he may endorse a rule that you don't like? Can we stop with these statements that are not much more than "if you're not with us, you're against us."? Can we stop looking for offense where there is none, just as an excuse to attack them?</p><p></p><p>Is all this too much to ask?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 7659473, member: 15700"] How dare Jeremy put the kabosh on all the righteous indignation going around. Ok, in terms of full disclosure, I will admit that I'm probably a bit more irritated about this thing than I would be if it were in a vacuum. But it seems that over the past couple years, there have been people who seem to take an almost pathologically unhealthy obsession with attacking WoTC and Mearls. For what? Because they're designing a game that you don't like? Implications and/or accusations of sexism and bigotry are pretty darn serious things in my opinion. And I'm getting pretty frustrated at the same group of people who will piss in the pool by immediately doing crap like this. I.e., making some claim that Mearls and WoTC is against women (the whole "D&D has no women working for it anymore. Way to go misogynists!") when the truth is nothing of the sort. There's plenty of legitimate misogyny and privilege in the world going on, so how about we focus on those instead of trying to bring Mearls and WotC "to justice" based on false accusations? I like D&D. I like what WoTC did with this edition. I understand WoTC is a corporation and thus I understand things like layoffs happen. I can open the books and see that WoTC has an incredibly diverse team that worked on D&D, including putting women in significant positions of importance. I think that really helped the product, but I think it happened because those women were the best qualified for the job and not given the position to meet some quota. Based on the quality of the things those women were in charge of (like the art), I have no doubt in my mind that they were the best for the job because it's some of the best art in D&D ever. And this coming from a guy who loves a lot of the TSR era art. Tramp, Otus, et al are some of my all time favorites. I do NOT assume they got those positions just because WoTC wants X % of staff to be women. I believe that women are just as good as men at every facet of this industry, so the only logical conclusion is that if you hire the best person, you're going to get pretty close to a 50/50 split. When I look at the books, that's what I am seeing. But I also don't think it automatically makes them sexist or discriminatory if they didn't hit that magical # of what % of each team is part of an ethnic group. I don't think it's intellectually responsible or honest to assume they are "part of the problem" if the 8 folks are men because that statement assumes there's a problem there to begin with because it assumes WoTC is perpetuating and/or reinforcing a discriminatory environment. Not only is there no evidence of this, but based on the highly diverse workforce they had on D&D, it seems very unlikely. Can we look a little deeper before we start throwing out baseless accusations please? Can we stop attacking WoTC like it's some sort of evil entity when they are doing nothing any different than any other business? Can we stop taking shots at Mearls personally because he may endorse a rule that you don't like? Can we stop with these statements that are not much more than "if you're not with us, you're against us."? Can we stop looking for offense where there is none, just as an excuse to attack them? Is all this too much to ask? [/QUOTE]
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