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<blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 7036955" data-attributes="member: 53980"><p>It's funny you should say that, because I was worried that it might give too much. </p><p></p><p>Based on the Martial Adept feat, which is one of the clearest feature granting feats, a feat is worth less than a major class feature. Martial Adept grants two maneuvers and a 1d6 superiority die vs the three maneuvers and 4d8 superiority dice granted by Combat Superiority. Admittedly, not all feature are created equal, they are both 3rd level features and both the fighter and the warlock gain little else at that level (the fighter gains a tool proficiency and the warlock adds a known spell), so it's not unfair to assume rough parity (albeit, differently distributed with respect to the pillars of the game). That said, I recognize that Combat Superiority is one of the features that is generally considered to be a bit too good at the low levels, so it's more fair to say that they are loosely equal but Combat Superiority is the stronger of the two. Still, the Martial Adept feat grants less than 50% of what Combat Superiority gives you. By comparison, my Improved Familiar feat grants well over 50% of what PoC grants, so if anything I'd say my feat is already too much. </p><p></p><p>Just my two cents.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd expect Pixie to be a very popular familiar choice for optimizing players (polymorph as well as a bevy of other spells at 5th level, yes please). The cockatrice might also be a popular choice, although IMO the pixie is hands down the best choice.</p><p></p><p>Here's a list of the familiars you can take at 5th level (from donjon.bin.sh):</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH]81560[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Expanded list at 10th level (IMO, the Intellect Devourer is the real prize here, since now your familiar can take over the body of basically anything):</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH]81561[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>There's nothing to show at 15th level, since there are no CR 3 creatures that meet all of the limiting criteria.</p><p></p><p>With familiar mount, you can have the following familiars. I'm leaving out the Beasts this time because they made the list too long. (Note that many of these creatures aren't particularly suited to being mounts, although riding in on a rust monster and turning your opponents weapons/armor to dust could be a lot of fun for a player - probably less fun for the DM):</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH]81562[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Familiar mounts at level 10 (the Carrion Crawler's paralysis would be potent, and the Nothic's Weird Insight - which magically discloses one fact or secret about a target - could be very useful, but I think I'm going to have to go with the Mimic on this one for it's 1,001 potential uses):</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH]81563[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>And at 15th level (between the Basilisk, Doppelganger, Green Hag, Nightmare, and Spectator, this one's a toughie):</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH]81564[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>Personally speaking, if I were to go this route with the feat I would limit the list of options to what is thematically appropriate and won't create issues in the campaign. IMO, basing it on CR is asking for problems.</p><p></p><p>Secondarily, I don't think it gives PoC warlocks enough. Being able to make an attack with your familiar as a reaction is not worth a feat in my opinion (sure, it expands their options as well, but in doing so it renders a significant class feature irrelevant).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fanaelialae, post: 7036955, member: 53980"] It's funny you should say that, because I was worried that it might give too much. Based on the Martial Adept feat, which is one of the clearest feature granting feats, a feat is worth less than a major class feature. Martial Adept grants two maneuvers and a 1d6 superiority die vs the three maneuvers and 4d8 superiority dice granted by Combat Superiority. Admittedly, not all feature are created equal, they are both 3rd level features and both the fighter and the warlock gain little else at that level (the fighter gains a tool proficiency and the warlock adds a known spell), so it's not unfair to assume rough parity (albeit, differently distributed with respect to the pillars of the game). That said, I recognize that Combat Superiority is one of the features that is generally considered to be a bit too good at the low levels, so it's more fair to say that they are loosely equal but Combat Superiority is the stronger of the two. Still, the Martial Adept feat grants less than 50% of what Combat Superiority gives you. By comparison, my Improved Familiar feat grants well over 50% of what PoC grants, so if anything I'd say my feat is already too much. Just my two cents. I'd expect Pixie to be a very popular familiar choice for optimizing players (polymorph as well as a bevy of other spells at 5th level, yes please). The cockatrice might also be a popular choice, although IMO the pixie is hands down the best choice. Here's a list of the familiars you can take at 5th level (from donjon.bin.sh): [ATTACH=CONFIG]81560._xfImport[/ATTACH] Expanded list at 10th level (IMO, the Intellect Devourer is the real prize here, since now your familiar can take over the body of basically anything): [ATTACH=CONFIG]81561._xfImport[/ATTACH] There's nothing to show at 15th level, since there are no CR 3 creatures that meet all of the limiting criteria. With familiar mount, you can have the following familiars. I'm leaving out the Beasts this time because they made the list too long. (Note that many of these creatures aren't particularly suited to being mounts, although riding in on a rust monster and turning your opponents weapons/armor to dust could be a lot of fun for a player - probably less fun for the DM): [ATTACH=CONFIG]81562._xfImport[/ATTACH] Familiar mounts at level 10 (the Carrion Crawler's paralysis would be potent, and the Nothic's Weird Insight - which magically discloses one fact or secret about a target - could be very useful, but I think I'm going to have to go with the Mimic on this one for it's 1,001 potential uses): [ATTACH=CONFIG]81563._xfImport[/ATTACH] And at 15th level (between the Basilisk, Doppelganger, Green Hag, Nightmare, and Spectator, this one's a toughie): [ATTACH=CONFIG]81564._xfImport[/ATTACH] Personally speaking, if I were to go this route with the feat I would limit the list of options to what is thematically appropriate and won't create issues in the campaign. IMO, basing it on CR is asking for problems. Secondarily, I don't think it gives PoC warlocks enough. Being able to make an attack with your familiar as a reaction is not worth a feat in my opinion (sure, it expands their options as well, but in doing so it renders a significant class feature irrelevant). [/QUOTE]
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