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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 7037004" data-attributes="member: 20564">But not all class features are equal.&nbsp; Continuing to look at Battlemaster I don't think anyone would say you get equal utility from Combat Superiority and from Know Your Enemy.&nbsp; Martial Adept is focusing on the main defining ability of the Battlemaster, while Warlocks have both Pact and Patron that shape them a lot.Simple if subjective test - if you swapped out Battlemaster's Combat Superiority for Warlock's Pact of the Chain, do you think that the resulting class would be picked by as many people?&nbsp; I don't.Martial Adept gives about a quarter of a strong, if not among the strongest, subclass features.&nbsp; But that doesn't mean that it should give that little of other subclass features because the features aren't even.I was going more of utility compared to other feats.&nbsp; You have the opportunity cost of missing an ASI or another feat.&nbsp; Here's my questions:Would a variant human be tempted to take this at character creation?Would this get serious consideration as a first feat?Would this get serious consideration as your first feat once your prime ability score is 20?Would I take this in one of my last feat slots after I got my primary wants?&nbsp; (This has lesser burden, but also requires decent scaling.)(Assume all are prefaced with &quot;outside a flavor build&quot; - I'll do things just to get a flavor and build the character I want even if&nbsp; it's far from a good choice.)A good feat hopefully gets a yes to 2-3 of these - it's not too powerful it eclipses other choices, but it's worth taking.&nbsp; There are feats in the PHB I still haven't seen played, and feats I've seen at least once in every party I adventure with.(Though in retrospect, I don't think I've seen a lot of Martial Adept - it might also be slightly underpowered as a feat.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 7037004, member: 20564"] But not all class features are equal. Continuing to look at Battlemaster I don't think anyone would say you get equal utility from Combat Superiority and from Know Your Enemy. Martial Adept is focusing on the main defining ability of the Battlemaster, while Warlocks have both Pact and Patron that shape them a lot. Simple if subjective test - if you swapped out Battlemaster's Combat Superiority for Warlock's Pact of the Chain, do you think that the resulting class would be picked by as many people? I don't. Martial Adept gives about a quarter of a strong, if not among the strongest, subclass features. But that doesn't mean that it should give that little of other subclass features because the features aren't even. I was going more of utility compared to other feats. You have the opportunity cost of missing an ASI or another feat. Here's my questions: Would a variant human be tempted to take this at character creation? Would this get serious consideration as a first feat? Would this get serious consideration as your first feat once your prime ability score is 20? Would I take this in one of my last feat slots after I got my primary wants? (This has lesser burden, but also requires decent scaling.) (Assume all are prefaced with "outside a flavor build" - I'll do things just to get a flavor and build the character I want even if it's far from a good choice.) A good feat hopefully gets a yes to 2-3 of these - it's not too powerful it eclipses other choices, but it's worth taking. There are feats in the PHB I still haven't seen played, and feats I've seen at least once in every party I adventure with. (Though in retrospect, I don't think I've seen a lot of Martial Adept - it might also be slightly underpowered as a feat.) [/QUOTE]

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