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<blockquote data-quote="SkredlitheOgre" data-source="post: 5777474" data-attributes="member: 99513">When I was running my 3/3.5 campaign, I had set everything in motion that Fraz'urb'lu was the BBEG.&nbsp; I had managed to trick the party into gathering the Staff (Rod?) of Seven Parts by telling them that it had to be destroyed in the Abyss for it to be truly destroyed.&nbsp; I had set it up so that in exchange for returning his Staff to him, Fraz was going to let the party go and give them some kind of boon that I currently don't remember.So, the night of the final confrontation, I come down with the flu.&nbsp; I call the right people so the word goes out.&nbsp; I get a text saying 'Craig (one of the players) will run a session tonight'I assumed they were going to do some kind of side quest/shenaniganery.&nbsp; Nope.&nbsp; They went to the Abyss and killed Fraz'urb'luu and 'finally' destroyed the Staff.&nbsp; Of course, I found this out the next morning in an email.&nbsp; I was cheesed, to say the least.&nbsp; And from what I was told, combat with a Demon Lord vs. a party of 5 (granted) epic level characters lasted four rounds.&nbsp; None of the players went past half HP.I guess my point here is that sometimes, there is no 'up,' because nothing poses a challenge anymore, at least combat wise.&nbsp; After that happened, I said &quot;Okay, we're done.&nbsp; This campaign is over because I can't challenge you anymore.&nbsp; Roll up new characters.&quot;&nbsp; They weren't happy about it, but the group broke up not too long after that, so I guess it worked out for the best.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SkredlitheOgre, post: 5777474, member: 99513"] When I was running my 3/3.5 campaign, I had set everything in motion that Fraz'urb'lu was the BBEG. I had managed to trick the party into gathering the Staff (Rod?) of Seven Parts by telling them that it had to be destroyed in the Abyss for it to be truly destroyed. I had set it up so that in exchange for returning his Staff to him, Fraz was going to let the party go and give them some kind of boon that I currently don't remember. So, the night of the final confrontation, I come down with the flu. I call the right people so the word goes out. I get a text saying 'Craig (one of the players) will run a session tonight' I assumed they were going to do some kind of side quest/shenaniganery. Nope. They went to the Abyss and killed Fraz'urb'luu and 'finally' destroyed the Staff. Of course, I found this out the next morning in an email. I was cheesed, to say the least. And from what I was told, combat with a Demon Lord vs. a party of 5 (granted) epic level characters lasted four rounds. None of the players went past half HP. I guess my point here is that sometimes, there is no 'up,' [I]because[/I] nothing poses a challenge anymore, at least combat wise. After that happened, I said "Okay, we're done. This campaign is over because I can't challenge you anymore. Roll up new characters." They weren't happy about it, but the group broke up not too long after that, so I guess it worked out for the best. [/QUOTE]

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