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<blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 6103168" data-attributes="member: 20323">I have a deceptively easy question: what's the max solo level I should use against the PCs?I have a party of seven PCs of 12th level. On International Table Top Day they will be going up against an &quot;elder red dragon.&quot; By RAW that's a level 22 solo, but I'm custom-designing this dragon anyhow using AngryDM's 3-stage boss monster guidelines and doing a bit of conversion of Infyrana from Dragon Mountain (who is a powerful spellcaster, so a controller rather than a soldier). So changing the level is no problem. The question is: what level should this solo be?I want this to be a very hard - but not unfair - encounter with the legitimate risk of multiple PC deaths or even a TPK. Already just five of the PCs (at 11th level) defeated a 15th level adult red dragon (designed as a 3-stage brute). Here is the party composition:Bard/Warlord 12, captain of fortune, well-rounded leaderFighter 12, weaponmaster, dual-wielding multi-attacker extraordinairePaladin 12, hospitaller/questing knight with lots of heals and buffsBarbarian 12, nocturnal, charge machineWizard 12, unseen Mage and orb-wielder extraordinaireElementalist 12, Lyrandar wind rider, maxed out damage dealerVampire/Cavalier 12, Valiant Cavalier, practically unkillable build</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Quickleaf, post: 6103168, member: 20323"] I have a deceptively easy question: what's the max solo level I should use against the PCs? I have a party of seven PCs of 12th level. On International Table Top Day they will be going up against an "elder red dragon." By RAW that's a level 22 solo, but I'm custom-designing this dragon anyhow using AngryDM's 3-stage boss monster guidelines and doing a bit of conversion of Infyrana from Dragon Mountain (who is a powerful spellcaster, so a controller rather than a soldier). So changing the level is no problem. The question is: what level should this solo be? I want this to be a very hard - but not unfair - encounter with the legitimate risk of multiple PC deaths or even a TPK. Already just five of the PCs (at 11th level) defeated a 15th level adult red dragon (designed as a 3-stage brute). Here is the party composition: Bard/Warlord 12, captain of fortune, well-rounded leader Fighter 12, weaponmaster, dual-wielding multi-attacker extraordinaire Paladin 12, hospitaller/questing knight with lots of heals and buffs Barbarian 12, nocturnal, charge machine Wizard 12, unseen Mage and orb-wielder extraordinaire Elementalist 12, Lyrandar wind rider, maxed out damage dealer Vampire/Cavalier 12, Valiant Cavalier, practically unkillable build [/QUOTE]

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