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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 6103663" data-attributes="member: 20323">I expect the interaction of the 'paragon tier force multiplier' and 'party size force multiplier' actually would make it even higher a bit, but 18th level seems a good starting target. The main reasons are that (a) a 14th level solo would be too easy to hit (relative to my 'PCs should hit around 13+' boss monster guideline), and (b) I'm giving Infyrana wizard spells and several of the ones I want to give her are higher level...which I suppose I could just fudge.But really if she has two sets of actions, a large suite of powers (including reactions), and more HP than normal (say 1,000)...isn't that almost the same as having two solos?Normally I do this stuff improvising based on what the players decide. Do you have another approach?IME the 3-stage adult red dragon I ran using AngryDm's guidelines worked like a charm, and made for a very tense encounter. I'm fine "using two solos to model Infyrana", but I definitely only want one BBEG for this fight.Yes, good advice, thanks.She can call on some kobold minions or wyrmlings during the fight. I want to reiterate that for story reasons it's important that this be a one BBEG fight. Most of the fights so far have been against dozens of kobolds and their monsters, so the PCs are itching for a boss fight, and there is huge build-up/foreshadowing pointing to this showdown against Infyrana.Do you consider an AngryDM style boss that get 2 turns to qualify as a "double solo"?I think that my experience must be different than other DMs, because I was expecting the previous dragon fight (five 11th level PCs vs. a three-stage 15th level boss) to play deadlier than it actually did. I quickly realized how powerful paragon PCs are! They could have taken on an L+5 boss! I'm using that previous fight as my litmus test for Infyrana...my thinking is that between adding two PCs and getting better acquainted with each others' PCs they could take on an L+7 or +8 boss (provided defenses were down-adjusted slightly) if they were fresh.</blockquote>

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