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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 5693245" data-attributes="member: 92511">After reading the title, I expected the opening post to just read &quot;TOUGH!&quot; or something along those lines.Maybe someone just laced my Cheerios with snark this morning. hahaha.ANYwho...I definitely agree with this but qould amend it to &quot;...most mature gamers...&quot;There's no accounting for individual maturity...sadly.I also think [MENTION=7441]olshanski[/MENTION] hit it on the head. The &quot;playstyle&quot; defense is most definitely a less antagonistic way of letting someone down (or specifically &quot;out&quot;) more easily than really telling some one they are a &quot;jerk&quot; (in the myriad of ways people can be jerks)&nbsp; [FONT=&amp;quot][/FONT]Well said.&nbsp;I'm an &quot;out and proud&quot; pessimist. I'm sorry. Thanks for coming but we just seem to have incompatible playstlyes. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />In all seriousness, I have played with people with a variety of &quot;playstyles.&quot;It really is a matter group-by-group.My groups, by and large, have all been with &quot;friends.&quot; We would do things besides just game. Granted, gaming was the majority of our free time (back in HS and college days). But it wasn't all we did.This made the fact that this one liked to play &quot;nutty/insane/eccentric to the point of disruptive&quot; characters and that one liked &quot;power-gaming&quot; (insofar as &quot;powergaming&quot; or &quot;min-maxing&quot;* was a thing before 3e) or someone was more &quot;combat-interested&quot; than &quot;RP-interested&quot; or vice versa...not really matter. It all meshed and by and large we all had a consistently good time. Unfortunately, there's really nothing you can do if people are offended or badmouthing you. That's their problem and lack of maturity shining through.If someone is disruptive, or creeping out the people (male or female) or belligerent or any of the problems aforementioned, you are totally in the right to boot them. If it really is only someone's &quot;playstyle&quot; that doesn't work for you, then sure you can boot them. But by &quot;you&quot; I don't mean the DM, but the group.If the person's playstyle really is a cause of disruption and impediment to the FUN of the group, then this is a totally justifiable reason to get rid of the person...regardless of other social &quot;shortcomings&quot;. *Apologies and no offense intended by these terms. I confess, I am still not entirely clear, myself, on what makes a &quot;powergamer&quot; versus a &quot;min-maxer.&quot; But my sketchbook understanding is that these are playstyles that generally one either &quot;is&quot; or &quot;is not&quot; and they are somehow at odds, oftentimes, with how some other people like to play. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />As always, have fun and happy playstyling.--SD</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 5693245, member: 92511"] After reading the title, I expected the opening post to just read "TOUGH!" or something along those lines. Maybe someone just laced my Cheerios with snark this morning. hahaha. ANYwho... I definitely agree with this but qould amend it to "...most [I]mature [/I]gamers..." There's no accounting for individual maturity...sadly. I also think [MENTION=7441]olshanski[/MENTION] hit it on the head. The "playstyle" defense is most definitely a less antagonistic way of letting someone down (or specifically "out") more easily than really telling some one they are a "jerk" (in the myriad of ways people can be jerks) [FONT=&quot][/FONT] Well said. I'm an "out and proud" pessimist. I'm sorry. Thanks for coming but we just seem to have incompatible playstlyes. ;) In all seriousness, I have played with people with a variety of "playstyles." It really is a matter group-by-group. My groups, by and large, have all been with "friends." We would do things besides just game. Granted, gaming was the majority of our free time (back in HS and college days). But it wasn't all we did. This made the fact that this one liked to play "nutty/insane/eccentric to the point of disruptive" characters and that one liked "power-gaming" (insofar as "powergaming" or "min-maxing"* was a thing before 3e) or someone was more "combat-interested" than "RP-interested" or vice versa...not really matter. It all meshed and by and large we all had a consistently good time. Unfortunately, there's really nothing you can do if people are offended or badmouthing you. That's their problem and lack of maturity shining through. If someone is disruptive, or creeping out the people (male or female) or belligerent or any of the problems aforementioned, you are totally in the right to boot them. If it really is only someone's "playstyle" that doesn't work for you, then sure you can boot them. But by "you" I don't mean the DM, but the group. If the person's playstyle really is a cause of disruption and impediment to the FUN of the group, then this is a totally justifiable reason to get rid of the person...regardless of other social "shortcomings". *Apologies and no offense intended by these terms. I confess, I am still not entirely clear, myself, on what makes a "powergamer" versus a "min-maxer." But my sketchbook understanding is that these are playstyles that generally one either "is" or "is not" and they are somehow at odds, oftentimes, with how some other people like to play. :) As always, have fun and happy playstyling. --SD [/QUOTE]

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