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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ajanders" data-source="post: 511877" data-attributes="member: 3271">Fair point...I had forgotten the changes from 2nd Edition to 3rd Edition Polymorph other.  Ahh, for the old days, when some poor adventurer could get polymorphed into a frog, caught in a random dispel magic, and spend the rest of his life sitting in a wet tavern somewhere saying "Ribbit".That said, while expensive, it might save them a prolonged war to invest in a few hobgoblin-only mass suggestions.  Just saying things like:"The standard of living here is much nicer than there.  Over there they turn their matrix towers up to 11."should slow down fifth column efforts.  Come to think of it, with an epic level illusion, the hobgoblins could find themselves living in anything the city wanted.  Or anybody could.Maybe that's another reason the proles are so quiet: enchanters and illusionists could provide magic VR on demand -- at least, someone's demand.  Why actually fix the hole in the road: just make it look fixed.  It's not like anybody important would actually be walking there.Over the long run, of course, such a system would probably break down.  Even with matrix towers, you can't fool all of the people all of the time.Sorry for the hijack, that kind of ran away with me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  That's why you use them for defensive operations at the city walls, not in the field.Maybe I'm misunderstanding the metaphysics and geography involved, but unless cities are far enough separated that it's very difficult to fling dispells at your neighbors, nobody is going to rely exclusively on magic.If all your climate control, logistics, health, water, sewer, communciations and defense systems could be destroyed by an Epic Mordenkainen's Disjunction, people would develop mundane alternatives.I guess I'm once again wondering how far a city-state can project power against an opponent.  Unless you've got matrix relay stations, of course...(This didn't respond to your question so much as ask new ones, of course.  This is why I appreciate Urbis so much: lots of insights into gaming, gamebuilding, and reality all at once.)</blockquote>

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