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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Trouvere" data-source="post: 4488769" data-attributes="member: 37250">[sblock=Waffles, yuck]Purely being entangled does not prevent moving, as is clear from the entangled condition description.  Does the Entangle spell have an additional movement-restricting effect?The Web description spells out precisely its effects on movement:  on a successful save, "the creature is entangled, but not prevented from moving" while on a failed save, "the creature is entangled and can't move from its space", so these are clearly two distinct effects.  The Entangle description merely says "holding them fast and causing them to become entangled".But "holding them fast" is just not a game term.  There's no "held fast" condition.  The only other places it appears in the SRD are in the description of the Retriever demon and the spell Black Tentacles ("They grasp and entwine around creatures that enter the area, holding them fast"), and they have their effect through the grapple mechanic (if you're grappled by a black tentacle, you could win an opposed grapple check in order to move, presumably by sliding yourself further towards the tip of a tentacle.  If you move the grapple far enough to leave the area of effect, you just escape all the tentacles.)  "Held fast" turns out to mean nothing at all more than grappled.  Likewise, Entangle has its effects through applying the entangled condition.Further, if Entangle were intended to immobilize, then its description would read slightly differently:  "A creature that succeeds on a Reflex save is not entangled but can still move at only half speed through the area."  Still?  i.e. just like those that failed their save, or like anyone merely entangled, as they are.  If they were immobilized, it would surely read "A creature that succeeds on a Reflex save is not entangled and can move at half speed through the area."  The "but still" clearly shows the intention that those who fail their saves can also move at half speed.  The difference on a successful save is that they don't also suffer the entanglement penalties to Dex and to attack rolls or need to make Concentration checks to cast.Also, "The creature can break free and move half its normal speed by using a full-round action..." refers to the fact that the escape attempt, though taking up the whole round, includes or allows a limited move action.  If an escape attempt were required to move at all, it would be more likely to say "The creature can break free in order to move half its normal speed by using a full-round action..."Of course, by DM decision, Entangle can indeed immobilize according to the clause in the entangled condition that reads "unless the bonds are anchored to an immobile object".  Entangling grass?  Unlikely.  Entangling trees?  You bet.Though I hesitate to interpret the minds of the game designers, an Entangle that does not (routinely) immobilize is a better match as a 1st level spell for Web as a 2nd level.   It can (1) only be used where there's appropriate plant material, but (2) doesn't require anchoring points to work at all, (3) has a 40' radius instead of 20', and (4) attempts to re-entangle once per round, where Web requires only one save.[/sblock]</blockquote>

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