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<blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 2626575" data-attributes="member: 8439">I agree. Rogues already have a lot of things they can do, and a couple of things only they can do. There's just some things they can't, unless they multiclass, and boo hoo, lets deal with this another way. This door requires not just the ability to turn undead, but the expenditure of a turning check. I would not allow a simple UMD check to replace a blast of positive energy.Now, if the cleric in the party wasn't a dwarf, could the rogue use UMD to fool the door into thinking the turn came from a dwarf? Sure. Could a rogue attempt a UMD check with a cure spell providing the positive energy? Yes, I would be fine with that, UMD to emulate class feature, one for race and one for triggering a wand or scroll or whatever you are using to cast the cure spell. But any item which requires the expenditure of a supernatural class feature with limited uses per day can be safely said (IMHO) to be fueled by that class feature, not merely triggered by it. No UMD check can fuel a device, only trigger it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kahuna Burger, post: 2626575, member: 8439"] I agree. Rogues already have a lot of things they can do, and a couple of things only they can do. There's just some things they can't, unless they multiclass, and boo hoo, lets deal with this another way. This door requires not just the ability to turn undead, but the expenditure of a turning check. I would not allow a simple UMD check to replace a blast of positive energy. Now, if the cleric in the party wasn't a dwarf, could the rogue use UMD to fool the door into thinking the turn came from a dwarf? Sure. Could a rogue attempt a UMD check with a cure spell providing the positive energy? Yes, I would be fine with that, UMD to emulate class feature, one for race and one for triggering a wand or scroll or whatever you are using to cast the cure spell. But any item which requires the expenditure of a supernatural class feature with limited uses per day can be safely said (IMHO) to be fueled by that class feature, not merely triggered by it. No UMD check can fuel a device, only trigger it. [/QUOTE]

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